Putin puts troops in western Russia on alert in drill

[Ravenblade]

Ok, fail by me.
Here is another one. from 2:15

Both sided were throwing shit at each other.

The guys climbing down look fairly traumatized and the bloodied victims who jumped from 2nd and 3rd level indicate that the mood must have turned from hatred to fear fairly early while the hatred from outside still continued.

[Ausr]

It's Cybran. He doesn't even read his own links.

I like how he justs posts links, throws up shit and hopes it sticks to the wall and probably enjoys the fact the rest of these people lap it up. It's amusing really.

[Cybran]

The truth came out last year and meanwhile that guy - who was the guy where 42 kg of gold were confiscated in his own appartment -ended up losing his position and being put on most wanted list. I don't know how this is of relevancy here unless you switched sides lol.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101629179

Van Ast said that Chevron's efforts are ongoing despite serious unrest in Ukraine, especially in the eastern part of the country. "We are monitoring the situation, but we continue to have a team in Ukraine who are engaging with key stakeholders on a daily basis," Van Ast said.

Royal Dutch Shell is currently the biggest player in the Ukrainian market. The company declined to comment on specific dollar figures, but said that it has ongoing operations in the region.

The eastern part is where the most Shale gas is. Chevron got booted out of most of Europe for it's pollution, but the current pro-western puppets will disregard the eviornmental hazards and start drilling as soon as they grab all of the power in Ukraine.

Dniper-Donets basin has 1.3 trillion cubic meters of gas.

[Ravenblade]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101629179


The eastern part is where the most Shale gas is. Chevron got booted out of most of Europe for it's pollution, but the current pro-western puppets will disregard the eviornmental hazards and start drilling as soon as they grab all of the power in Ukraine.

Yeah, only your link displayed an article about a cabinet member acting as Energy Minister under Yanukovich. The article was from November 6th 2013, before the whole Euromaidan thing. As far as I can see it didn't matter then, does not matter now and never will who's going to sell out the country, political affiliations notwithstanding there is always someone willing to do it. So it's irrelevant because it's obviously not special to one party.

[Cynep]

More or less literal translation of the article by first-hand witness is below. I won't repost over a hundred of pics, you can open the article in next browser tab.

Yesterday Odessa went into all headlines. Sadly, the reason was not merry: more than 40 dead, several hundreds wounded. It so happened that I witnessed the whole event from start practically to the end. I started writing yesterday but realized that I wouldn't finish until morning because of too many photos, went to bed and finished today morning. Incoming lots of text and even more of pics. No photos of bodies, anyone who wants extremities can go to any news site.

First, some history for those living not in Odessa and not informed about recent events here. Until yesterday there were two camps in Odessa, let's call them pro-Ukrainian and pro-Russian. Both were organizing meetings, gatherings, marches in the city ending at the most in local skirmishes and small fights. There were no serious confrontations in Odessa before, and on May 1st pro-Russians conducted a march in the city which hasn't been hindered by anyone. Also pro-Russian activists created a camp on one of city squares, Kulikovo Field, that served as a staging area for their gatherings. By the way, literally a day or two before yesterday's events there was a split among them and part of people from this camp moved to completely different part of the city. There are opinions now that the split was prompted exactly by preparation of part of Kulikovo Field activists for yesterday's events.

With history outlined, let's proceed to yesterday's events. Yesterday in Odessa a football match was planned between Chornomorets Odessa and Metallist Kharkiv clubs. Fans of these clubs announced a demonstration "For unity of Ukraine", that was planned to pass through city streets, then finish at Chornomorets stadium. The march was scheduled at 3 PM at Cathedral square (aka Soborka). Since it's always interesting for me to photograph such events, about 2:30 I started going in Soborka direction. I didn't arrive there because at the corner of Zhukovskogo Street and Alexandrovski Avenue I met a group of armed men.

A google map to clarify the geography of events.
<a map>

Practically all those gathered at Alexandrovski were equipped with masks, helmets and shields. Weapons were mostly clubs, baseball bats, some had axes. Part of the people formed a column on the roadway, part was in a small park. For IDs overwhelmig majority had St.George ribbons, part had red armbands.
<pics of thugs and police idly standing by>

At some moment, part of the crown ran through crossroads to Zhukovskogo, literally in 50 meters from that place "a Banderites' vault with a full car of assault rifles" was found, as some in the crowd shouted. Several policemen came to the doorway where "the vault" was found, from the other side the doorway was barricaded by the besieged.
<pics>

My acquaintances told later that there is a HQ of maybe "Maidan self-defense" maybe "Right Sector". Regardless, "a full car of assault rifles" didn't attract the thugs, there were no attempts to storm the doorway and commanders were constantly calling people back to Alexandrovski. On the way they smashed a car which had a blue-and-yellow ribbon in it.
<pics of a smashed car with pro-Ukrainian ribbon>

At this point police started coming, both with equipment and without. They made no attempts to detain anybody, even though some local citizens quite emotionally pointed out that there's a crowd of armed people on the street.
<pics>

The doorway was cordoned, no one knows why though, at this time all fighters pulled back to Alexandrovski Avenue, after that they went along Alexandrovski in direction of Greek Square. Police was making some listless attempts to hinder them, specifically they lined up across half of the avenue and the thugs simply went around them. It was evident that police is undermanned and clearly has no idea what to do in this situation.
<a map with an arrow showing thugs' movement>

I circumvented the column by Zhukovskogo street and came at Soborka from the other side. At the moment I arrived at Soborka, people were singing the anthem and I didn't see nor football fans nor "Maidan self-defense" that usually is guarding such meetings. At the moment I arrived everything looked like that:
<pics of peaceful people singing>

Because you could tell that they gathered here clearly not to brawl with somebody, started searching someone from organizers. I found a man in a helmet, told him to get people away because armed pro-Russian activists are coming here and simply a slaughter will happen. I was told that they were already warned and were preparing to defend. Meanwhile, on Greek street side "Maidan self-defense" really started to assemble, forming a line.
<pics of not-so peaceful maidanites, a map showing positions of forces>

Before the line someone of police bosses was running and shouting for them to urgently start their march. At this point it was obvious that no one should march anywhere because no one would be able to defend a column of people, so no one moved anywhere.

Within five minutes after that, thugs appeared from Greek street, police trying to restrain them. Police visibly got some reinforcements, but still had not enough people to partition the whole Greek street.

Seeing the enemy, a group football fans charged them, at that point not numerous yet. Everything happened very fast but as afar as I could see, "Maidan self-defense" stood still, defending the square. All clashes were concentrated in right-hand side of the street looking from the Cathedral square, because there was no police there.
<pics of police half-cordon and street fight>

The street was quickly covered with smoke. At this point police finally managed to set up a resemblance of a cordon and created a "neutral zone" about 50 meters wide, and pro-Ukraine activists occupied a part of Greek street up to the cordon. Self-defense also moved closer to police cordon.
<a map with changed positions, more pics from back of pro-Ukraine crowd>

A short intermission began, after that both sides started hurling various objects at each other. People started dismantling walkways.
<pics>

At this point police only starts gathering at the place. Nearby streets are still not shut off, cars and trams riding there.
<a pic of police cars>

People at Cathedral Square are waiting for the ending.
<a pic of pro-Ukraine crowd>

Pro-russian activists are using a respite to build barricades from trash containers and other materials at hand.
<a pic of people in masks and helmets>

At some point activists of Motorized Emergency First Aid (they have nothing to do with politics) arrived at Preobrazhenskaya street and shut off the street at last, so people didn't ride to Greek street. In future they would administer emergency to the wounded.
<a pic>

Most of stores on nearby streets closed.
<pics: "closed", "on a break">

While all was quiet, I went to Deribasovskaya to see what's happening on Zhukova side.
<a map; Deribasovskaya is widely known outside of Odessa, things happened right in historical heart of the city>

At that point, small separated clashes were happening there: Ukrainian activists, mostly football fans, were running into an alley, then running out, with Russian activists charging after them. Thes sides reversed, and now pro-Russian fighters were retreating. Already there were wounded being escorted and carried out of the throng and passed over to First Aid medics. Meanwhile on Deribasovskaya tons of people were present.
<pics>

At this point people with firearms and molotov cocktails appear on the scene for the first time.
<pic>
Cocktail was thrown somewhere in direction of nearby onlookers.
<pic>
After that actions of police in this area cannot be called other than "strange". Actually, police and pro-Russian thugs here were acting as a team. Police formed a living shield while thugs were conducting active warfare from behind it. When necessary police were letting thugs out into "attack", under "counter-attack" let them fall back behind their shields. On one photo one can see that some activists even form a chain with police, covering flanks. On some photos you can see that nearby the commanding policeman there's always a camouflaged man with a covered face.
<more pics>

Again armed people appear and start shooting from behind police shields.
<pics of people with automatic weapons, police are covering them. Damn.>

After plastering, a sortie. Fresh molotov cocktails.
<pics>

Then shooting in the other side.
<a pic, I just hope they didn't damage the monument>

After that, thugs decided to go into the park, photographers and promenading people were there. People started running, but still someone got caught and beaten.
<pics of a thug beating an unarmed guy>

As soon as football fans came running from Cathedral square, pro-Russian side again retreated behind police shields.
<pics>
Video: police together with thugs retreat down the alley.
<more pics>
At some point a policeman appeared from behind the shields and tried to explain something to youths throwing stones. I think it was the vice-commander of our police. At the same time a shooter appeared again from the shields.
<pics>

All fighting moved to Greek Square, from Cathedral side a barrier of policemen without any equipment was set up.
<a pic of police line>

From this moment, all events were just attempts of pro-Russian thugs to retreat under cover of police. They occupied trade center "Athene" in the square's middle and area behind it. At some point a former cinema caught fire, the fire was quenched. Also a firefighting car was captured and used as a moving barricade. There were many wounded constantly being carried out in ambulance cars.
<many pics>

Part of police stood in nearby blocks.
<a pic>

After some time majority of pro-Russian thugs were pushed out from Greek square in direction of Cathedral square, after that some ran away and some hid in nearby shops. Maidan self-defense attempted to somehow defend the beaten thugs and, too, hand them to ambulances, because level of aggression at the time went off the gauge, rumors were circulating in the crowd about 6 killed, there were people with bullet wounds, and people didn't spare the thugs.
<more pics; a group of riot police seems to just stand around>

After active phase of the confrontation finished, streets looked like this:
<a pic of paving stones>

At Soborka they start gathering people to go to Kulikovo Field where the permanent camp of pro-Russian activists is located. Police regroups.
<pic>

At Soborka they try to save a pro-Russian activist, he has strong bleeding from the neck, he's trying to break free, visibly crazed. They hold him and plug the wound, waiting for the ambulance.
<pic>

Someone from thugs side is hiding in the "Obzhora" store, police is holding the entrance.
<pic>

Medics are working around, ambulance cars keep coming to take the injured. Both city public ambulance and private clinics are working.
<pic>

After some time a column gathers and goes to Kulikovo Field square to dismantle the enemy camp. There were tents and barricades for a couple of months. There are requests to leave police alone.
<Don't you think this last sentence is ... funny? Also, more pics>

There are many advertisement constructs along the road with ads of Party of Regions and Mikhail Dobkin. Majority of such stands get broken. Stands without PoR ads are spared.
<pics>

When I arrived at Kulikovo Field, tents were still standing, pro-Russian activists put together a barricade before the entrance and ensconced behind. Smoke grenades were used again. On building roof activists with prepared molotov cocktails are sitting, they would throw them down later. Why "commanders" of these activists decided to barricade in the building isn't clear, decisive events already happened in the center.
<pics>

In the tents crates were found, containing many gas-mask filters.
<pics>

Tents, crates and everything found was burnt down quickly. The building is still intact.
<pics>

A pro-Russian activist is escorted to be handed over to police. On the square itself there's no police, it's said they are concentrating somewhere around.
<pics>

Tents are burning, no active warfare can be seen. The sides are throwing whatever they can at each other, explosions and short pops are constantly heard.
<pics>

Pro-Ukrainian activists try to storm the building, molotov cocktails start flying from both sides. A fire in foyer starts very soon. Since this is the only fire and the building has several exits including rear facade, no one views the situation as critical.
<pics>

Soon, several more fire points appear on second floor. At this point all activity is carried over to rear facade and side wings.
<pic>

There's many police on rear side. In windows and on the roof people are saving themselves from the smoke. Several people tried to jump out and crashed. They tried to somehow reanimate a man who survived his jump, then gave him to medics. During this, from the roof slogans about "fascists" and "banderlogs" keep sounding, agitating the crowd. Pro-Ukraine activists continue assaulting the building, part of people broke inside.
<pics>

Firefighters begin working, self-defense helped them, bringing people out of building. Allegations that firefighters started their work too late, in my opinion, are unfounded - it isn't their duty to go under bullets and molotov cocktails, and police couldn't provide working conditions for them. On the square people were dousing tents by themselves. Photograph quality is low because it was dark already.
<pics>

Those captured during the assault were brought out and gathered in groups. Beaten but alive. Those who didn't resist, were receiving mostly prods, but a guy that tried to break free and run away was caught by the crowd and beaten badly, self-defense fought him off and carried to ambulance.
<pics>

From pockets of one of them some petards or fiery things fell out (on the previous photo they're lying on the ground), and they almost attacked him again, but they managed to calm the people.
<last pic>

Generally speaking, if not for some Maidan self-defense fighters, and simply odessites, trying to at least somehow shield pro-Russian activists from the crowd, there would be more casualties. Before my eyes they started beating a man who protected a wounded guy, thinking that he's at one with them.

Eventually those who could move normally were loaded into police cars, the rest were given to ambulance medics.

At this point the building wasn't burning anymore firefighters were working inside, in the building fighting continued. If I'm correct, it was about 10 PM, we packed and went home.

Bottom line from news: about 40 dead several hundred wounded in hospitals. How many injures isn't known exactly, far from everyone went to hospitals.

A lot of questions. Who organized the gathering of pro-Russian fighters that attacked pro-Ukrainian meeting? Why police didn't prevent it in time? Why no one was detained? Why police at certain moments actively collaborated with the thugs, actually forming a united front with them? Who stimulated Kulikovo Field activists to barricade in the building and start another standoff when everything was already decided in city center?

[Deleted]

Another question for you, streetfighter.
Why did the other side start throwing Molotov and preventing people to get out and fire trucks to get in?
Do you think all this shite above somehow justifies those extremists' actions?

[mmokri]

Replace thugs with not-enough-ukrainians.

[Elim Garak]

A bit of a warning: Internet is full of blog posts on Odessa, each tries to distort the truth and present it in this or that light. Do not trust these blogs.

[Cynep]

Another question for you, streetfighter.
Why did the other side start throwing Molotov and preventing people to get out and fire trucks to get in?
Do you think all this shite above somehow justifies those extremists' actions?

1. Molotovs, 4 or 6 of their friends were murdered by the criminals inside. Battle craze overtook them, I said that already. They were football ultras after all. Molotovs were thrown from both sides. Also ultras don't carry molotovs, they must have found them in those tents.
2. Fire trucks, read the article, I fully agree with the author.
3. "Justifies" is fully subjective. Can anything harmful to Russia be justified in your eyes at all?

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Replace thugs with not-enough-ukrainians.

Give me a better word to translate "боевики". The Russian-speaking odessite used that word to describe them.

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A bit of a warning: Internet is full of blog posts on Odessa, each tries to distort the truth and present it in this or that light. Do not trust these blogs.

1. You didn't read it, right? It's basically a lightly commented photosession.
2. Yeah, I should trust what my TV and radio are telling me now (they broadcast Russian propaganda if you missed it), instead of looking at my streets and seeing that Russians are lying to me. I'm right inside the events, I see the truth with my own eyes.

[Jackmoves]

Red armbands are a sign of nationalists supporting pro-maidan.

Source: the Washington post.

This makes all these pictures, people from the same side.

Wrong.

Sucks when you dont like the way things look Djalil. Here we got pro-russian hooligans attacking a peaceful pro-ukraine rally. Good that the Interim government has started to act, these guys are a menace to sociaty. They are ready to attack peaceful protestors because they are pro-ukraine.

[Ravenblade]

A bit of a warning: Internet is full of blog posts on Odessa, each tries to distort the truth and present it in this or that light. Do not trust these blogs.

Thanks. I have to admit that I was a deeply worried because the pictures looked all thoroughly photoshopped and the films very choreographed. Unlike the other blogs where there is just text and no quoted sources or references which usually constitute divine truth.

[Deleted]

1. Molotovs, 4 or 6 of their friends were murdered by the criminals inside. Battle craze overtook them, I said that already. They were football ultras after all. Molotovs were thrown from both sides. Also ultras don't carry molotovs, they must have found them in those tents.
2. Fire trucks, read the article, I fully agree with the author.
3. "Justifies" is fully subjective. Can anything harmful to Russia be justified in your eyes at all?

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Give me a better word to translate "боевики". The Russian-speaking odessite used that word to describe them.

- - - Updated - - -

1. You didn't read it, right? It's basically a lightly commented photosession.
2. Yeah, I should trust what my TV and radio are telling me now (they broadcast Russian propaganda if you missed it), instead of looking at my streets and seeing that Russians are lying to me. I'm right inside the events, I see the truth with my own eyes.

So is the burning alive of 42 of your own people justified?

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Wrong.

Sucks when you dont like the way things look Djalil. Here we got pro-russian hooligans attacking a peaceful pro-ukraine rally. Good that the Interim government has started to act, these guys are a menace to sociaty. They are ready to attack peaceful protestors because they are pro-ukraine.

So you burn them alive at random in a building killing minors and pregnant women?

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Thanks. I have to admit that I was a deeply worried because the pictures looked all thoroughly photoshopped and the films very choreographed. Unlike the other blogs where there is just text and no quoted sources or references which usually constitute divine truth.

It's part of the informatic mediatic war that goes next to everything in the world of today.
Works on all sides all the times.

[Deleted]

Obviously you are; that doesn't make either true.

If you wish I can go in to elaborate analysis on why the Spiegel guy was wrong,last paragraph destroyes whatever he claims - tho the factual rebirth of certain ideology and mythology -and 99% of Team Russia here are obvious victims of it (and they even experiene it as non-ideology) - has been done under Putin,but its not inherently fascist per se.
At very best Putin deploys certain proto-fascist elements but I need to go in to full analysis then.

[Deleted]

If you wish I can go in to elaborate analysis on why the Spiegel guy was wrong,last paragraph destroyes whatever he claims - tho the factual rebirth of certain ideology and mythology -and 99% of Team Russia here are obvious victims of it (and they even experiene it as non-ideology) - has been done under Putin,but its not inherently fascist per se.
At very best Putin deploys certain proto-fascist elements but I need to go in to full analysis then.

Please don't.
The only fact that you group up all that don't see things like you and your ridicolous government depicts them as "team Russia" shows your ability to analyse things at depth.
Please don't.

[Cybran]

Yeah, only your link displayed an article about a cabinet member acting as Energy Minister under Yanukovich. The article was from November 6th 2013, before the whole Euromaidan thing. As far as I can see it didn't matter then, does not matter now and never will who's going to sell out the country, political affiliations notwithstanding there is always someone willing to do it. So it's irrelevant because it's obviously not special to one party.

http://news.yahoo.com/cia-fbi-agents...101508429.html

Berlin (AFP) - Dozens of specialists from the US Central Intelligence Agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation are advising the Ukrainian government, a German newspaper reported Sunday.

Citing unnamed German security sources, Bild am Sonntag said the CIA and FBI agents were helping Kiev end the rebellion in the east of Ukraine and set up a functioning security structure.

It said the agents were not directly involved in fighting with pro-Russian militants. "Their activity is limited to the capital Kiev," the paper said.

The FBI agents are also helping the Kiev government fight organised crime, it added.

A group specialised in financial matters is to help trace the wealth of former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, according to the report.

The interim Kiev government took charge in late February after months of street protests forced the ouster of Kremlin-friendly Yanukovych.

Fierce battles between Ukrainian soldiers and pro-Russian separatists in the country's east have left more than 50 people dead in recent days.

Last month the White House confirmed that CIA director John Brennan had visited Kiev as part of a routine trip to Europe, in a move condemned by Moscow.

The US government has it's hands deep in the ass of the current Kiev muppets though. Likely had it there for years.

[Jackmoves]

So is the burning alive of 42 of your own people
So you burn them alive at random in a building killing minors and pregnant women.

Show me where I excused the burning of the building.
The shit you write would do well in a fucking tabloid.

[Deleted]

Please don't.
The only fact that you group up all that don't see things like you and your ridicolous government depicts them as "team Russia" shows your ability to analyse things at depth.
Please don't.

And what the hell even my government - the fuck that even means - has to do with this.Go out and breathe some fresh air.
Im not even talking to you and either way Id PM it.You arent the centre of Earth,Mr Feels.I still havent recieved reply to my PM I sent you and thats the thing with you - posing as mature,inteligent person while the only thing you are capable of is asking stupid questions for obvious,one after the other.

[Deleted]

Awesome Super, good job there. Putler fans wont even bother reading it, but people not affected by russian propoganda might. If you can repost that article in blogs/social networks - that would help too, because russian news agencies are going wild trying to twist what really happened and is happening in their favor.

[Deleted]

Show me where I excused the burning of the building.
The shit you write would do well in a fucking tabloid.

You said:

these guys are a menace to sociaty. They are ready to attack peaceful protestors because they are pro-ukraine.

So I ask you again, as that was a question and NOT something I said you claimed:
Does the presence of violent extremist justify what happened in Odessa?

And don't play fucking dumb jack, you know EXACTLY what dozor and cynep and others are saying.

[Rukentuts]

It's Cybran. He doesn't even read his own links.

But he's intelligent and informed. Like all Putinists.