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    Man, this thread is like that one alley in your town you ALWAYS try to stay away from.

  2. #18362
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Youth unemployment there is 40% thanks to Merkel and Co.
    Oh, you mean young people between 15-24 years old? Do you realize that they count people in schools as well when they do these statistics? That means that a 17-year old boy studying in high school is considered "unemployed". These youth unemployment rates are absolutely horrid and paints a darker picture than it actually is.
    Also my personal life is non of your business.
    It's such a simple yes or no question. So what, you can't find a job as a CS engineer? How the fuck do you succeed with that?

  3. #18363
    Quote Originally Posted by Trollskalden View Post
    As usual, you cite articles that don't support what you're saying... according to the article you cite, the Italians are leaving the EU because of the superior business atmosphere of the US, not because they can't find jobs.

    By the way... seeing how you're so desperate to prove that engineers don't get jobs in Europe... are you by any chance unemployed even though you're an engineer?
    He can't even understand simpe articles and seems to have a problem superiors. So maybe
    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    It's only superior, because of the 4 year Euro crisis. There is heavy austerity and lack of investments in Italy. Firms are not hiring new staff which leaves millions out of work. Youth unemployment there is 40% thanks to Merkel and Co.

    Also my personal life is non of your business.
    Yeah, Merkel took the highway to hell and drove Italy into a wall. #justCybranThings

  4. #18364
    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberowl View Post
    Yeah, Merkel took the highway to hell and drove Italy into a wall.
    She tried to put pressure on Berlusconi to leave office by witholding IMF aid from Italy and she refused to introduce Euro zone bonds that would have calmed the Markets in 2011.

    This lead to record high unemployment and recession in Southern Europe. She is a power hungry politician who screwed over most of Europe to save German banks.

  5. #18365
    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    She tried to put pressure on Berlusconi to leave office by witholding IMF aid from Italy and she refused to introduce Euro zone bonds that would have calmed the Markets in 2011.

    This lead to record high unemployment and recession in Southern Europe. She is a power hungry politician who screwed over most of Europe to save German banks.
    Berlusconi leaving his office is a positive thing for me. He should stay in the retirement home he works at.

    Can you blame Merkel for enforcing her and Germany's interests? Die Linke says it: Deutschland ist nicht das Sozialamt Europas.

    She didn't screw over South European economies, it's not her fault, no matter how often you accuse her of it.

  6. #18366
    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberowl View Post
    She didn't screw over South European economies, it's not her fault, no matter how often you accuse her of it.
    The Euro did that. She made it worse by trying to get political gains out of the situation.

  7. #18367
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    The Euro did that. She made it worse by trying to get political gains out of the situation.
    Say it a couple of times more and I'm sure you will finally be right.

  8. #18368
    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    The Euro did that. She made it worse by trying to get political gains out of the situation.
    Nobody forced the Euro on them, they decided to replace their currency with the Euro and made it an European crisis, when their faked finances couldn't survive the hit from the US.

    Political gains in politics, wow, much unaccept, very evil, wow.

  9. #18369
    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    Putinists calling others nazis is fucking funny.
    Americans pretending they're not as bad as Putin is fucking funny.

    That being said, both are bad.

  10. #18370
    Quote Originally Posted by pateuvasiliu View Post
    Americans pretending they're not as bad as Putin is fucking funny.
    Yeah, America is just like Russia. You must be ignorant to every single metric that we linked earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pateuvasiliu View Post
    Americans pretending they're not as bad as Putin is fucking funny.

    That being said, both are bad.
    Americans are not as bad as Putin.

  12. #18372
    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberowl View Post
    Nobody forced the Euro on them, they decided to replace their currency with the Euro and made it an European crisis, when their faked finances couldn't survive the hit from the US.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-16290598
    So what really caused the crisis?There was a big build-up of debts in Spain and Italy before 2008, but it had nothing to do with governments. Instead it was the private sector - companies and mortgage borrowers - who were taking out loans. Interest rates had fallen to unprecedented lows in southern European countries when they joined the euro. And that encouraged a debt-fuelled boom.

    Good news for Germany...All that debt helped finance more and more imports by Spain, Italy and even France. Meanwhile, Germany became an export power-house after the eurozone was set up in 1999, selling far more to the rest of the world (including southern Europeans) than it was buying as imports. That meant Germany was earning a lot of surplus cash on its exports. And guess what - most of that cash ended up being lent to southern Europe.

    ...bad news for southern EuropeBut debts are only part of the problem in Italy and Spain. During the boom years, wages rose and rose in the south (and in France). But German unions agreed to hold their wages steady. So Italian and Spanish workers now face a huge competitive price disadvantage. Indeed, this loss of competitiveness is the main reason why southern Europeans have been finding it so much harder to export than Germany.
    The Euro was flawed from the start. It created a self inflating bubble that bursted in 2008. Germany is as much to blame as Spain and Italy, but only the south had to pay the price.

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    That's nothing new, there is a nice series about it from BBC Television (so not really biased). Conclusion was that the northern EU countries profited more from the EU than the southern ones. Especially Germany is profiting most. Will try to find the BBC series about it.

  14. #18374
    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-16290598


    The Euro was flawed from the start. It created a self inflating bubble that bursted in 2008. Germany is as much to blame as Spain and Italy, but only the south had to pay the price.
    Each country carries their own package and Spain and Italy have a huge package after centuries of bad political and economical decisions.

  15. #18375
    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberowl View Post
    Each country carries their own package and Spain and Italy have a huge package after centuries of bad political and economical decisions.
    Without the Euro they would have been able to deflate their currency and increase barrowing costs, but instead Germany forced them through painful Austerity that crippled their economies.

    This has nothing to do with "centuries of bad decissions".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Without the Euro they would have been able to deflate their currency and increase barrowing costs, but instead Germany forced them through painful Austerity that crippled their economies.

    This has nothing to do with "centuries of bad decissions".
    They adapted the Euro, bad decision.

  17. #18377
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    The Euro was flawed from the start. It created a self inflating bubble that bursted in 2008. Germany is as much to blame as Spain and Italy, but only the south had to pay the price.
    Again:
    ...bad news for southern EuropeBut debts are only part of the problem in Italy and Spain. During the boom years, wages rose and rose in the south (and in France). But German unions agreed to hold their wages steady. So Italian and Spanish workers now face a huge competitive price disadvantage. Indeed, this loss of competitiveness is the main reason why southern Europeans have been finding it so much harder to export than Germany.
    Bad economic policies on southern Europe's part... and it hasn't even anything to do with the euro, the southern economies would've slided into a crisis anyhow. Not just because of poor economic policies, but because of the 2008 crisis. German's lendings has made the impact of those poor economic decisions less hurtful.

  18. #18378
    Quote Originally Posted by Trollskalden View Post
    Americans are not as bad as Putin.
    Did Putin or anyone from his government already got children on board of some Crimea/Donbass enterprise?

  19. #18379
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Did Putin or anyone from his government already got children on board of some Crimea/Donbass enterprise?
    No he and his government merely control firms that make up over 50% of total GDP.

  20. #18380
    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    No he and his government merely control firms that make up over 50% of total GDP.
    Well, clearly Americans love nepotism and hate government control; and we prefer it the other way around.

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