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    BS or DR on HC Garrosh

    Pretty awkward. Currently progressing on HC Garrosh but apparently I need to go DR for stuns on adds in intermission, although I think that's bullshit. However it's also mainly a single target fight. I'll end up being last on dps though if I go DR with everyone spamming the adds at the start.

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    Go Bladestorm, It's not even up for debate as far as I'm concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyricals View Post
    Go Bladestorm, It's not even up for debate as far as I'm concerned.
    Are you sure? I mean, that's the answer I wanted, but we're still on progress. I understand BS for farm, but for progress?

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    use disrupting shout for the adds, if you have to go DR for your raid, you have to, but if there aren't enough classes to cover the interrupts you probably have bigger problems.

    bladestorm, aside from being good for meter padding on warbringers, is really good for mind controls.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sar93 View Post
    Are you sure? I mean, that's the answer I wanted, but we're still on progress. I understand BS for farm, but for progress?
    BS helps during P1, during intermissions and with the MC's...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrArtorius View Post
    BS helps during P1, during intermissions and with the MC's...
    Thanks for the replies. I love pasting them to a cocky healer officer telling me to go DR.

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    Why would you even consider DR?

    BS is stronger than DR no matter how you look at it. It's superior on single target (yes, it's a recent change but it's been out long enough to be known ) and it's THE best burst AoE ability in the game (works for Adds P1, MCs P2 & P3. Don't use BS pre MC or you'll keep spinning and damage your raid!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by meteo View Post
    Why would you even consider DR?

    BS is stronger than DR no matter how you look at it. It's superior on single target (yes, it's a recent change but it's been out long enough to be known ) and it's THE best burst AoE ability in the game (works for Adds P1, MCs P2 & P3. Don't use BS pre MC or you'll keep spinning and damage your raid!)
    I was considering it as, as the guy telling me to go DR says, 'its not about damage its about effective damage we have alot of aoe in this group and not strong single target damage thats why its better' Though I'm telling him about the advantages of BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sar93 View Post
    I was considering it as, as the guy telling me to go DR says, 'its not about damage its about effective damage we have alot of aoe in this group and not strong single target damage thats why its better' Though I'm telling him about the advantages of BS.
    Your healing officer is probably either friends with a butthurt dps that's getting smashed by your aoe burst or he's just an idiot.

    Take Bladestorm.

    If he's talking specifics about effective DPS ask him exactly how much HE THINKS DR will give you on the boss over BS then let us all prove him wrong.
    Last edited by Choptimus; 2014-03-09 at 07:17 PM.

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    Do what I did. I went BS but used Blitz glyph for the stun in intermission. Pretty efficient.

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    Lets forget the one million good uses for Bladestorm on Garrosh hc and look at the single target damage done only. Bladestorm will yield a higher damage on Garrosh alone no matter what, if you ALSO hit other targets Bladestorm will do significantly more damage to Garrosh himself due to the diminishing returns on DR (DR will hit Garrosh for less the more targets it hits).

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    Bladestorm is by far the best talent. That fight was nearly designed for it and best of all; none of it is "padding". It honestly isn't even a competition.

    While I understand progression = less focus on damage and more focus on mechanics, such as interrupts; I guarantee there are better places to pick up extra stun/interrupt utility that your raid is not considering; ex: Tanks, Capacitor Totem, etc.

    Most classes have atleast one interrupt and a stun of some sort, Warriors alone can AoE interrupt the first cast on all three targets and Storm Bolt a second, even Leap and Charge for a third!
    If you are having issues with the interrupts I am certain you can swap the groups around a bit and make it work, its about both interrupting ability and balanced enough damage so groups aren't up too long (general rule is die before 3rd cast).
    We carry a (dead) buyer each week and still manage to get all the interrupts/damage necessary, which is harder than you'd think even with gear.

    The damage of Bladestorm MORE than makes up for the slight utility loss. It utterly destroys both Phase 1 adds and Intermission 1 adds, it annihilates Intermission 2 adds is the #1 MC breaker ability for that fight. It also is not a Single Target loss, so it doesn't hamper you through the non AoE portions of the fight. Win-Win-Win.

    TLDR: Tell your Officer he is mistaken and should leave you to what you do best.

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    MY #2 World DPS Garrosh kill on WCL
    (note WCL doesn't count MC damage, so the BS damage is actually higher than what you see, why I linked WoL first)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archimtiros View Post
    Bladestorm is by far the best talent. That fight was nearly designed for it and best of all; none of it is "padding". It honestly isn't even a competition.

    While I understand progression = less focus on damage and more focus on mechanics, such as interrupts; I garuntee there are better places to pick up extra stun/interrupt utility that your raid is not considering; ex: Tanks, Capacitor Totem, etc.

    Most classes have atleast one interrupt and a stun of some sort, Warriors alone can AoE interrupt the first cast on all three targets and Storm Bolt a second, even Leap and Charge for a third!
    If you are having issues with the interrupts I am certain you can swap the groups around a bit and make it work, its about both interrupting ability and balanced enough damage so groups aren't up too long (general rule is die before 3rd cast).
    We carry a (dead) buyer each week and still manage to get all the interrupts/damage necessary, which is harder than you'd think even with gear.

    The damage of Bladestorm MORE than makes up for the slight utility loss. It utterly destroys both Phase 1 adds and Intermission 1 adds, it annihilates Intermission 2 adds is the #1 MC breaker ability for that fight. It also is not a Single Target loss, so it doesn't hamper you through the non AoE portions of the fight. Win-Win-Win.

    TLDR: Tell your Officer he is mistaken and should leave you to what you do best.

    Source:
    My #1 World DPS Garrosh kill on WoL

    MY #2 World DPS Garrosh kill on WCL
    (note WCL doesn't count MC damage, so the BS damage is actually higher than what you see, why I linked WoL first)
    Thank you very much for the post, mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archimtiros View Post
    Bladestorm is by far the best talent. That fight was nearly designed for it and best of all; none of it is "padding". It honestly isn't even a competition.

    While I understand progression = less focus on damage and more focus on mechanics, such as interrupts; I garuntee there are better places to pick up extra stun/interrupt utility that your raid is not considering; ex: Tanks, Capacitor Totem, etc.

    Most classes have atleast one interrupt and a stun of some sort, Warriors alone can AoE interrupt the first cast on all three targets and Storm Bolt a second, even Leap and Charge for a third!
    If you are having issues with the interrupts I am certain you can swap the groups around a bit and make it work, its about both interrupting ability and balanced enough damage so groups aren't up too long (general rule is die before 3rd cast).
    We carry a (dead) buyer each week and still manage to get all the interrupts/damage necessary, which is harder than you'd think even with gear.

    The damage of Bladestorm MORE than makes up for the slight utility loss. It utterly destroys both Phase 1 adds and Intermission 1 adds, it annihilates Intermission 2 adds is the #1 MC breaker ability for that fight. It also is not a Single Target loss, so it doesn't hamper you through the non AoE portions of the fight. Win-Win-Win.
    Do what we did, have warriors use Blitz, charge stun all 3 on first cast, aoe interrupt 2nd, and by then they should all be dead. EASY

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyricals View Post
    Go Bladestorm, It's not even up for debate as far as I'm concerned.
    This and I used DR on progression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrArtorius View Post
    BS helps during P1, during intermissions and with the MC's...
    If you are AOE'ign adds in P1 you are doing it VERY wrong. DR isn't very good, as shockwave is MUCH better for the fight. It allows you to stun adds 1st transition, and help take care of all MCs throughout the fight (which is a much more important mechanic). The only thing bladestorm is good for is killing the adds during 2nd transition, but even then its very risky cuz of the shit ton of whirls that are gonna hit you in melee during that part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    If you are AOE'ign adds in P1 you are doing it VERY wrong.
    I see

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyricals View Post
    I see

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    Given the smart-ass reply I feel I should elaborate. The adds during P1 will take enough damage from inadvertent cleaves. All you have to do is get them to 50% so the iron star will kill them. If you are actively AOE'ing the adds you are losing dps on Garrosh, and you should be pushing into 1st transition before the 2nd iron star comes out (note: 2nd iron star will still spawn cuz of RP time most of the time, but that next wolf rider should not spawn. If he does your raid dps is low)

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    Bladestorm, no debate unless your weapon is like Flex for some reason, then DR might be better.

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