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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by ComputerNerd View Post
    It encourages unhealthy gameplay at best, and downright nasty and undesirable behaviour.
    Between cheating/exploiting it was never a fair race.
    Athene as an example was abusing the tagging mechanic, where he would tag and then assisting players would do the killing.
    He did only a fraction of the work, but earned the feat regardless.
    Using an example of world first is stupid.

    That's like saying having a realm first achievement for killing heroic bosses was a bad idea because it encouraged people to use exploits, see Lich King saranite bombs or Garrosh solo healing. That's not required for realm first, it was something the world first group did.

    95% of the people in the race didn't need or use exploits, I've had realm first warlock in cata and realm first 90 in MOP, all I did was quest.
    I didn't even miss any sleep it was such a quick sprint, let alone need to exploit.

    And guess what? I'll be doing the same race again, regardless of a FOS, because it has nothing to do with a FOS and everything to do with player mentality towards wanting to get to max level asap and start prepping / enjoying max level content, hell - I imagine most of the server will still know who hits 100 first regardless of being spammed with an achieve.

    People complaining about these things really seem to have no idea what getting realm first entails and are blinded by what news sites have reported world first taking, which is a different race entirely, and neither they or blizz devs seem to realise that removing a FOS changes nothing, the achievement is still there, it's just a real achievment, not what the video game gives you a little badge for.
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  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Nagassh View Post
    Using an example of world first is stupid.

    That's like saying having a realm first achievement for killing heroic bosses was a bad idea because it encouraged people to use exploits, see Lich King saranite bombs or Garrosh solo healing. That's not required for realm first, it was something the world first group did.

    95% of the people in the race didn't need or use exploits, I've had realm first warlock in cata and realm first 90 in MOP, all I did was quest.
    I didn't even miss any sleep it was such a quick sprint, let alone need to exploit.

    And guess what? I'll be doing the same race again, regardless of a FOS, because it has nothing to do with a FOS and everything to do with player mentality towards wanting to get to max level asap and start prepping / enjoying max level content, hell - I imagine most of the server will still know who hits 100 first regardless of being spammed with an achieve.

    People complaining about these things really seem to have no idea what getting realm first entails and are blinded by what news sites have reported world first taking, which is a different race entirely, and neither they or blizz devs seem to realise that removing a FOS changes nothing, the achievement is still there, it's just a real achievment, not what the video game gives you a little badge for.
    stopped reading at that point.

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    I like the competition there is in being the first to achievement the maximum level, the feeling that you've that you can't stop and you must stay focused until your goal is accomplished.

    For the other hand, people QQ because some of them don't have the opportunity to do this because they've school the other day, or they've work and blabla.

    This expansion I managed to be the first player to reach level 90 on my Monk and I received a few funny whispers telling how bad I was because I had leveled 81-90 faster than they managed to level 85-90. After this first week, I had my Monk equipped and ready to raid and I had my Druid at level 90 and with a few pieces ready to raid if it was necessary.

    The excuse they gave that people lose feeling of leveling is crap, because I lost 21 hours leveling my Monk and I had the right feeling with my Druid two or tree days after as well.

    Also, I think they're removing this because they don't want people to rush and they don't gain anything as well. When this expansion was released, you had a few players from each realm doing RaF leveling for their monks, let's say 10 per server and you can do the math to see how much they won.
    Realm First Monk & Hellscream's Downfall

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    Well, there's been a whole bunch of exploiting and shit every single new expansion since people will do literally anything to get these pesky FoS:es.

    Now we who enjoy the story can actually take the time to watch those cinematics and read that quest text.

  5. #65
    Agree with whats been said mostly, it usually is just whoever finds the exploit first that gets the achievement.

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    I think that the achievements were a fun part and sure while some exploited those, there were people doing both the leveling and profession achievements legit.

    Goes in the same category with the removal of Skirmish arena, makes no sense.
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  7. #67
    People who say it's "unhealthy" have been reading way too many shock news stories. The reality is it is no more or less healthy. As somebody who has 3 ream firsts I can tell you that and the end of all 3 nothing bad every happened to me. I never got sick I never felt like passing out. Why is this? Because you're playing the game for like 15 hours to get there. So tell me what is "unhealthy" about this:

    On Monday when I normally go to sleep at about 3 or 4am I just stay and and go to bed on Monday at around noon or 1pm. I wake up at around 10:30 take a shower and get some food. As for food I have fruit cups, Gatorade, fruit snacks and chips. I level and hit realm first. Then go to bed at my normal time and my sleep pattern is back on track.

    The only thing even close to being unhealthy about all of that is what I eat. The reality is that majority of us eat that while we game anyways so it's not a big deal. So please stop using "unhealthy" as a reason when it's not. Nobody is staying up for 4 straight days to do this.


    Also please stop with the implying of everybody who gets a realm first cheated. While there are a few out there that have suspect means and ways, the reality is they will be done w/ or w/out an achievement. It is such a small percentage of people that does this. I would say maybe 2% of all the people who get realm first. It really just seems like sour grapes that YOU personally didn't get it. When MoP hit my guild got every single realm first. Not a single person cheated. We did dungeons as a group and quested as groups.


    The reality is people don't go out of there way to get realm first. The people who take of work to play to try to get realm first, we're going to take off work either way. It's an amazing race and is actually one of the few things in the game that I like to look back and think about when I look at my FoS. I don't care about WoW lore, I never have and never will. I don't care what quest text says, I don't care what impact I'm about to do has on lore. Stop trying to force me to care because I, just like a lot of others who play the game, won't care about it.

  8. #68
    It doesn't matter if they remove the achievement. People are still going to try to be the first level 100. Removing it does nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyc81991 View Post
    It doesn't matter if they remove the achievement. People are still going to try to be the first level 100. Removing it does nothing.
    Yep, most will probably just exploit the shit out of it anyway, so there was no real reason to remove the achievements except lazyness.

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    Makes no difference to me, since Raids don't open for the first couple weeks I generally just quest and level at a pretty moderate to high pace and even with proper sleep and not smashing energy drinks and such I still manage to hit cap in the first week anyway.

    The removal makes no impact on me at all. Yet I can understand Blizzards stance of people not rushing content just for 1 of a few thousand people to get an achieve.
    Quote Originally Posted by Seriss View Post
    How about we wait till we're actually playing it before we go into estimating the amount of content in comparison to expansion x and how little it is and how bad it is and how feature y doesn't count because some people don't care about it and those people that like it don't count because they don't matter for some obscure reason?

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