1. #2021
    Quote Originally Posted by rebecca191 View Post
    I never cared for doing a lot of exploration on a ground mount, and now that I've seen how much more fun it is for me on a flying mount, I can't go back. Fun is a subjective thing. For me I've only ever really enjoyed exploration with flying. Maaaaaaaybe if we had never gotten flying in the first place it would be at least tolerable, because I did put up with it for a year or so of vanilla WoW - but we did and no amount of wishing by Blizzard or any player will undo that fact.
    So you're just exemplifying my point that most of you are just too scared of losing the comfort zone in flying mounts. Thank you.

  2. #2022
    Quote Originally Posted by Conscious View Post
    SNIP...

    Lol, was just thinking this myself.. Why do away with such a deeply embedded feature of the game, something that can make or break an expansion, to save a quick buck? (Meanwhile they're raising the expansion price..)
    Very true.

    There is no way I pay more money for less fun.

  3. #2023
    I think it's a good idea to have no flying at first because that's when the content is new and fresh and having to explore is great at that point. However, a year on and people will have more or less seen everything there is to see at which point no flying will just be a pain in the ass - it's not necessarily fun to keep "exploring" the same area you've "explored" 300 times before.

    I do have to admit I'm finding the idea of this xpac rather bland. I love the sound of the balance tuning changes coming but in terms of new content can't say I'm that impressed. It's nice we're going to see stuff that is more wholesome than kung-fu pandas but the story and lore needs to move forward whereas for the last xpac and this one it just seems to be moving sideways. Ultimately, Warcraft lore is about Azeroth vs. Burning Legion. It's been several xpacs since BC, let's get back to that plot arc already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forsworn Knight View Post
    So you're just exemplifying my point that most of you are just too scared of losing the comfort zone in flying mounts. Thank you.
    However you interpret it, why should we lose anything?

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    Here are my thoughts on the subject:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ43xo8FSMg

    Don't see the issue at all, considering nearly ALL of the content in the game is done in instances anyway. If you are so upset, you must not be actually doing anything at level 90!
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  6. #2026
    Quote Originally Posted by Forsworn Knight View Post
    So you're just exemplifying my point that most of you are just too scared of losing the comfort zone in flying mounts. Thank you.
    You mistake 'anger over losing Quality of Life perks' for 'fear of something but I'm not sure what exactly.'

    What exactly am I afraid of? Since you seem to know.
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  7. #2027
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryngo Blackratchet View Post
    Yes, Jesus, lol. It's what we've been trying to explain to you for the past few pages. I told you trying to stick a blanket definition to "casual" was going to end up poorly for you as there isn't one. It's much more of a perspective thing rather than a defined reality.

    You can't just say "LAWLS Dude gets on forums when he's at work, he's fucking HARDCORE!" Now, if dude gets on forums all day to discuss rotation specifics, research potential changes and keep up with moment to moment updates, then yes, said person is probably a hardcore player. 3000 or so posts in the General Discussion section on the other hand, not so much.
    I said no such thing.

    I said that he is more hardcore than the average playerbase and that I can't consider someone that cares (or is passionate) enough about a single game to make 3300 posts about it and dedicates one of his 6 monitors to the website alone at work casual. That sir, is not casual. It's not normal either.

    It is hardcore, meaning "unswervingly committed; uncompromising; dedicated".

    It is passionate, meaning "ruled by intense emotion; expressing, showing, or marked by intense or strong feeling; or intense or vehement"

    For the purpose of talking about this game, both mean nearly the same thing with reference to Superman. 3300 posts represent someone that is very committed to WoW (he has admitted to being a fanboy even) and on top of that some of his posts are very intense and demonstrate his intense or strong feelings for WoW.

    He is not a casual player. Casual players do not spend the majority of the workdays posting on gaming forums about a single game that they claim to only play a few hours a week. Derp, herp, derp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forsworn Knight View Post
    I'm not the one removing it. Blizzard is. I'm just expressing my support.

    Apparently there is inherent enjoyment in flying when it's relevant to the discussion. Because it's not as if most people only use it for quicker means of transportation. You're grasping at straws again.
    Grasping at straws because you don't agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by Forsworn Knight View Post
    You can still explore on ground mounts. Just saying. It's actually quite fun with added dangers and travelling.

    You speak as if flying is the ONLY way to explore. And I call bullshit on that.
    No one said you can't, we're just saying flying enhances exploration.

  9. #2029
    Quote Originally Posted by Forsworn Knight View Post
    So you're just exemplifying my point that most of you are just too scared of losing the comfort zone in flying mounts. Thank you.
    Uh, no, Blizz added something that was a big improvement to the game for me, and now that I've had it, I realized how much not having it sucked and made the game less fun. Also I am not scared of rocks or weird paths on hills that end and go nowhere blocking my way, or super easy mobs that I can kill by auto attacking and stay above 90% health, I just don't *like* them when they serve no purpose except to waste time, because I'm not leveling or doing a quest and they don't drop anything good, and consider it busy work that gets in the way of admiring a zone (if I'm out in the world to look around) or that makes it take far longer to get to the content I do enjoy.

  10. #2030
    Quote Originally Posted by Infernix View Post
    You mistake 'anger over losing Quality of Life perks' for 'fear of something but I'm not sure what exactly.'

    What exactly am I afraid of? Since you seem to know.
    Reading Comprehension.

  11. #2031
    Quote Originally Posted by Forsworn Knight View Post
    Reading Comprehension.
    Oh, pray tell then, do explain it to me, oh wise Pandaran.
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  12. #2032
    Quote Originally Posted by Infernix View Post
    Since the end of LK content, five million people turned the game off, uninstalled it and didn't come back. Half the player base, or nearly so. So, yeah. Blizzard can't seem do to anything except drive off more and more of their players. It's like they're trying to kill their own game.
    For a myriad of reasons that have yet to be pinned down. Cataclysm soured it for some, if not many. However, there is some segment of the playerbase that quit simply because the prime storyline they played in Warcraft 3 was wrapped up with a bow when the Lich King crown passed to Bolvar and Arthas died.

    When I left EQ1, it was when my guild killed the big bad boss of the expansion we were working through. We finished it up and I decided it was time to leave. The hardest part about it was that I had to struggle with the feeling that I was abandoning my raid buddies at the time. I felt the story that I cared about was wrapped up though and I had no desire to start another story in new lands.

    My leaving had nothing to do with the new areas, new mechanics or any other new changes - I was simply finished. There is nothing that Sony could have done in early 2004 (short of maybe giving me a million dollars =P) that would have made me stay. There are people just like that leaving WoW on a daily basis.

    After that, I took a 3 to 4 month break from nearly all games, then came back online to beta test WoW.
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  13. #2033
    Funny that you jump at getting called out for being scared and lash out in an attempt to disprove it. So predictable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forsworn Knight View Post
    So you're just exemplifying my point that most of you are just too scared of losing the comfort zone in flying mounts. Thank you.
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  15. #2035
    Listen please: I just read a post where someone said " No Flying in WoD, terrible". They build this game, every since they started to take feedback from ppl the game got ruined. People noticed that blizzard started to listen to those who had something to say and now every time there's something THEY come up with, ppl start whining and threatening with cancelling subscription. WHY did they take feedback in the first place? Why? This game would have been so awesome even today if they wouldn't have cared for every selfish comment.

    They come up with a new idea or something new, and all ppl have to say is "That's it, im cancelling my subscription". Im tired of ppl commanding over this game and trying to make their voice or state vivid! Blizzard should STOP taking feedback and make decision out of it! They shouldn't give a crap about what x and y has to say, atleast not to change that specific thing just to make someone happy. This game is going to die and the reason its losing subscription is the ppl behind their keyboard commanding and complaining over twitter and forums. All i read on this website almost every single day is complains about one change or the other..why can't ppl just stop complaining and enjoy the game the way its served?

    Blizzard knows what they're doing better than anyone else, and you can't disagree on that. Who are you to judge their decisions when all you do is play and nothing else ( you pay to play and nothing else, which is not even an obligation..you like the game, you pay for it..you don't? You stop paying). It was enough for them to just say once " we might not have flying throughout the whole xpac" and ppl already started yelling out "worst decision ever, cancelling subscription, that's it". I haven't seen almost no forums where people give positive feedback about something.. all they do is complain and complain and complain. I'm sick of it...and im not the only one.

    p.s. I'm sorry about my bad English, it is not my mother language.

  16. #2036
    Quote Originally Posted by Raeln View Post
    For a myriad of reasons that have yet to be pinned down. Cataclysm soured it for some, if not many. However, there is some segment of the playerbase that quit simply because the prime storyline they played in Warcraft 3 was wrapped up with a bow when the Lich King crown passed to Bolvar and Arthas died.
    I won't deny that the end of the Lich King would mean the end of the story for many players. I'm not sure that those players numbered in the millions, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forsworn Knight View Post
    Funny that you jump at getting called out for being scared and lash out in an attempt to disprove it. So predictable.
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  17. #2037
    Quote Originally Posted by Conscious View Post
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    Get a grip kiddo.
    Call me kiddo, yeah. You're so much more mature than I am. Shall I return the favor and call you childish?

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    I'm not answering you Infernix because if you couldn't by now then it isn't worth bothering to try and explain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forsworn Knight View Post
    I'm not answering you Infernix because if you couldn't by now then it isn't worth bothering to try and explain.
    heaven forbid you go to a forum and discuss anything

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    You cannot put something as fundamental as flying in the game, and then remove it.

    If there is no flying in WOD I would not be happy with that decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raeln View Post
    For a myriad of reasons that have yet to be pinned down. Cataclysm soured it for some, if not many. However, there is some segment of the playerbase that quit simply because the prime storyline they played in Warcraft 3 was wrapped up with a bow when the Lich King crown passed to Bolvar and Arthas died.
    but here is the kicker.

    I can bet none of them quit the game with the reason, "Damn you blizzard for allowing us to fly."

    For all the problems of Cata and MoP have - flying was not one of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pancaspe View Post
    You cannot put something as fundamental as flying in the game, and then remove it.

    If there is no flying in WOD I would not be happy with that decision.
    Well, no matter what. You are not going to be happy for 2-4 months and well after you reach max level. At a minimum, flying is gone till the first patch and from what we're hearing. The entire paying subscribers gets to be this grand experiment on if it will be back or not.

    Either way, you're not going to be happy for a while.
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