1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by Quetzl View Post
    And you enjoy it why? Yes, flying offers efficiency. But what else? You can look down on the world from a flightpath.

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    And replacing it with something that they could perhaps likewise enjoy, or enjoy even more. Why does one enjoy flying mounts?
    Because I do. I enjoy flying through the trees. Observing the world from a birds eye view. Racing against things. The freedom it enjoys. I don't enjoy being limited to ground. Your offering confinement. Flight taxi does not offer the freedom of going where ever and however I choose. I want my own path, not yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quetzl View Post
    A lot of people won't suffer. Some will. Where is the suffering coming from? I'm suggesting it's their own perception that they're being restricted, when in reality, they'll get to see the new world from a more interesting perspective.

    It seems to me that people just don't like change.
    ive seen that world, for 3 xpacs now in exactly the way you love for everyone to. on the ground. it was fun.. once. after that the game changes, and the worky type things come into play if you want to enjoy other aspects. and efficiency comes into play more so at this point that anything.

    this is why leaving the leveing requirement has worked in the past, and would continue to work. people have the opportunity to explore on the ground, while others can get on with their day.
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    "Time to find something else to play!" - The people who enjoy ganking and then flying beyond the range of any danger
    I'd honestly enjoy this a lot. Here's hoping they go ahead with it.
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  4. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by Quetzl View Post
    A lot of people won't suffer. Some will. Where is the suffering coming from? I'm suggesting it's their own perception that they're being restricted, when in reality, they'll get to see the new world from a more interesting perspective.

    It seems to me that people just don't like change.
    But if I want I can already see the world from that perspective, I choose not to because I don't want to. If you choose to do so then more power to you, But to force me to do what you like/want is well just plain stupid. But something tells me no matter how many times someone tells you, or explains it to you, you just won't get it. Don't care to get it. or are just a troll. Either way, you feel how you do, and I and others feel how we do. That is that.

  5. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by Awbee View Post
    This is exactly the same idiocy that led them to remove the city portals at the start of Cataclysm. And the same players who support no flying probably supported that too. I argued my back off online back then against these people. I wonder how many of them really did enjoy the lack of portals and used it to fully explore Azeroth. Right.

    The only thing that did was that it hindered the people who actually enjoy travelling and exploring the world, like myself. I love being in different capital cities, I'm rarely ever in Org and Sw. I love discovering beautiful spots in Azeroth. I love working on my loremaster, roleplaying, doing pet battles, archeology, herbing, mining, fishing, doing old dungeons. Flying and city portals help a lot with this. I wouldn't even be able to reach some of the beautiful places without flying, and I'd also greatly miss out on the wonderful view from above.


    I've found that the players who cheer on the loudest for changes like the removal of city portals or flying are the ones that stand around in SW / Org all day, and will remain doing so when the changes they advocated for actually happen. Whereas players who enjoy exploring and traveling, get punished and potentially unsub. Which is why I'm glad Blizzard came to their senses regarding city portals -- from the looks of it, we'll even be able to have them in our own garrisons now. I expect they'll come to their senses with regards to flying as well.

    For the record, I fully support no flying till level cap, and wouldn't mind no flying till first patch either -- but after that, it's an absolute necessity.
    I am the same. I like looking at the geology of WoW's world as it is fairly close to what you find in the real world. Taking away flying takes away my ability to explore. And I too remember when they removed portals that it caused a real strain where everyone was siting in the main cities waiting for queues and mages were chased for free ports haha.

  6. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by Quetzl View Post
    I agree. The quests, gear, etc are increasingly more like work, and the incentives to play the game for the experience and not just to reach some meaningless number have vanished. It's a big problem, and a small part of that is flying mounts. Admittedly, the core of it is their questing system, short leveling times, and increasing focus on endgame content.
    No its not, 'being on a ground mount' has never been an incentive to go do things out in the world. If you are going to blame flying mounts, actually back it up with some reasoning.
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  7. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by Alenarien View Post
    I'd honestly enjoy this a lot. Here's hoping they go ahead with it.
    Not everyone plays on a pvp server. So please stop assuming it's just pvpers. I am a roleplayer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Constraint View Post
    It's just so much easier (for me) to get immersed in a world that you're always exploring face to face...
    People need to stop using immersion as a reason to remove flying. Sure, it may work for you but I'm much more immersed in this fantasy world when I can fly on a dragon...

    Flight doesn't ruin exploration either, as people claim. Hell, it only improves it, imo. You see most areas while levlling without flight anyway.

    The only downside of flying is people can't be ganked as easily. Removing flying altogether is a mistake.

    I fail to see how using flight paths is any more immersive or somehow better than actual player-controlled flight.

    Anyway... didn't we already know that flying will be for old content only from WoD onwards?
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  9. #189
    It doesn't say anything remotely along that line. Your imagining things.

  10. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    People need to stop using immersion as a reason to remove flying. Sure, it may work for you but I'm much more immersed in this fantasy world when I can fly on a dragon...

    The only downside of flying is people can't be ganked as easily. Removing flying altogether is a mistake.
    I wouldn't call that a downside. The only time people are flying is to get places or to AFK. People can just use flight paths if flying isn't an option, and PvP involving 5 grievous PvP clad bads demolishing an AKF PvEr is not fun or engaging gameplay for anyone.
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    You know, I really get why people want to go through the leveling content on their first character without flying. It adds immersion, changes the pacing, lets you discover the world slower and revel in all the little stuff, I get that. I actually enjoy that myself on the first couple of characters.

    That said though, why the fuck would you want to spent months taking longer to get everywhere? It's like taking all the backstreets to work every morning instead of hopping on the freeway. Folks, that shit gets old fast.

    I've been playing since early Vanilla and I've got my own rose-tinted goggles on being land-locked. But come on; One of the best things about and most obvious rewards from dinging that end-game level is the sense of power and freedom of being able to lift off and see stuff from the skies.

    I've said this many times before but it's worth repeating: If you don't want to fly, don't. Just don't inflict your personal preference on the rest of us by whinging at Blizzard the loudest. They're stupid enough to listen.
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  12. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafic View Post
    This is going to be up there with the STAR WARS NGE. As an avid gamer of 25+ years I hope that this is not true.
    You nailed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    People need to stop using immersion as a reason to remove flying. Sure, it may work for you but I'm much more immersed in this fantasy world when I can fly on a dragon...

    The only downside of flying is people can't be ganked as easily. Removing flying altogether is a mistake.
    I just said it was for me, are you blind? There's much more to "immersion" than what kind of magical beast you happen to have your buttocks attached to at any point in time, astonishingly enough. That's why I gave examples. I didn't say they'd work for you, nor do I particularly care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spinner981 View Post
    You used even worse arguments. First of all, what is the problem with taking the efficient route? Secondly, people will just use flight paths to get everywhere and then use roads for the rest. Also, if by 'unexpected' you mean being facerolled by a group of 5 players who then proceed to camp and /rofl at you, then no that doesn't make the game more fun and it's not exciting at all.
    Nothing is wrong with taking the efficient route. In fact, that's what I said people will always do. They will always take the efficient route - which is why the argument that those who dislike flying mounts should just use ground mounts is null.

    People will not use flight paths to get everywhere. They will use flight paths to go long distances. Flying from mob to mob or node to node is the current norm.

    If you don't like world pvp, then don't play on a pvp server. But that aside, by unexpected events I was referring to getting attacked by mobs, finding a chest, etc etc.


    I can understand if you are one of the mindless gankers, why you wouldn't like flying. But aside from being an opportunistic ganker, I see no negative to flying. Your so called reasons are just nitpicks against the reason people provide as to why flying isn't bad. It's not a logical truth at all.

    Not to mention having to go everywhere on ground mounts severely discourages getting out into the world to actually go and do things in the first place. Heck, people hated dailies in MoP with flying mounts. You think people are going to be happier when they have to now go out and do similar activities on only ground mounts?
    I gave plenty of reasons as to why flying is worse than ground mounts for the experience of the game. Maybe you should read what I wrote. We can start with less danger, no need to focus on the game, and fewer incidents, which all reduce immersion - the source of engagement.

    The dailies sucked because they sucked. Blizz probably won't make that mistake again.



    Your arguments defending no flying are:

    1. It's not that bad.

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    2. But then you won't get ganked!

    and I don't see how either of those is a valid argument.

    Those aren't my arguments. At all. I didn't even mention pvp. Not once. I don't know why you're so focused on it.

  15. #195
    I thought this was meant to be only initially (Until the second patch of expansion) which I was more than happy about. (More immersive only having ground mounts initially when questing)
    Now however, if its for the entire expansion, that is a entire expansion of nearly impossible farming and all of us losing 1/3rd of our mounts.

    This must be some kind of mistake or taken out of context as we were already promised it would only be until a future patch in the expansion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klingers View Post
    I've said this many times before but it's worth repeating: If you don't want to fly, don't. Just don't inflict your personal preference on the rest of us by whinging at Blizzard the loudest. They're stupid enough to listen.
    It really isn't worth repeating, because it's overstated bullshit, and nothing more. What gamer would choose a less efficient choice? What you suggest goes against the core purpose of the game. Might as well not play it.

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    I just don't understand the whole "OH THE WORLD IS BIGGER AND MORE DANGEROUS NOW" point of view. Mostly just because its more like "oh yes I can walk through this amazing and useless world devoid of anything that's actually relevant to me as a max level player as a timesink while getting dazed off my mount and killing mobs that are somewhere between small and no threat to me ever because the outside world is tuned so low I could probably keybind my entire keyboard to just about any filler spell of any class and be perfectly fine".

    Granted that might be fun and interesting to some people or perhaps people so new that questing isn't repeating the same quest I did somewhere in Vanilla then again in BC content then again in WotLK then again in Cata and then once again in MoP for at least the thousandth time with my character being so overtuned compared to the world assuming I can actually play it semi correctly because they design outdoor content as if I had never played the game at any point ever. Even at max level. SO INTERESTING

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constraint View Post
    I just said it was for me, are you blind? There's much more to "immersion" than what kind of magical beast you happen to have your buttocks attached to at any point in time, astonishingly enough. That's why I gave examples. I didn't say they'd work for you, nor do I particularly care.
    Yeah... I actually said "for you". How can I be blind when I acknowledged that? >_>

    Point is, however you're immersed, you should have to ruin how others are immersed. Blizzard should make both paths attractive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klingers View Post
    You know, I really get why people want to go through the leveling content on their first character without flying. It adds immersion, changes the pacing, lets you discover the world slower and revel in all the little stuff, I get that. I actually enjoy that myself on the first couple of characters.

    That said though, why the fuck would you want to spent months taking longer to get everywhere? It's like taking all the backstreets to work every morning instead of hopping on the freeway. Folks, that shit gets old fast.

    I've been playing since early Vanilla and I've got my own rose-tinted goggles on being land-locked. But come on; One of the best things about and most obvious rewards from dinging that end-game level is the sense of power and freedom of being able to lift off and see stuff from the skies.

    I've said this many times before but it's worth repeating: If you don't want to fly, don't. Just don't inflict your personal preference on the rest of us by whinging at Blizzard the loudest. They're stupid enough to listen.
    Compelling argument. It's obviously because a few loud, angry people whinged to Blizzard that they're considering it. Ever stopped to think for more than a second that it might actually be WORTHWHILE to have people on the ground for longer? Sure, you won't get your "OMG BITCHES I CAN FLY, SHIT" moment when you ding 100, but think about all the things that can make up for it. Oh, and it's not just so you can take longer to get around, just as a tip.

    Please, angry little people, think about the whole picture before you get your knickers in a twist.

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