1. #5181
    So i admit... if i had some pretty awesome flying mounts i would be pretty bummed about not being able to fly. I think its there way yo force questing and stop farming so much in the beginning of the exp, but thats just my opinion. I didnt like the removal of the tree. It felt more customizable and was something that i believe made wow, wow. I also dont like how some classes feel ancient to play. I really liked wrath, both gameplay and because all my friends played too. I think dragon soul was abdolutely horrible. I thought mop was too cartoony for me and i never really got into it. Peraonally with flying it is silly we can teleport to another realm but not fly. Especially at level 90-100. In my opinion at this point u should feel pretty epic especially stepping into an expansion in a games life as long as wow, without training to "fly" again after learning how to fly 4 or 5 other times. I will try the expansion out but if they r headed the same direction as they have been i think alpt of people will do what i did in mop, log in to see stuff... hit 100... and only renew if something relatively interesting happens. My.02

  2. #5182
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolercaust View Post
    Why are you so certain Blizzard listened to "TBC hipsters" regarding Cata heroics? Isn't it possible that Blizzard makes design decisions based on what they feel the game needs?

    Nobody knows how this experiment is going to work out. It depends on how its implemented, because as Cata heroics demonstrated even a good idea can have bad results if implemented poorly.
    If I remember rightly blizzard stated they listened to feedback about heroics and for cata they made them harder. Then it bit them in the ass. I personally loved them as it was a good challenge when I was scrub geared on launch during cata. I am around 90% certain blizzard stated they listened to certain players feedback when doing the cata heroic changes. If I am wrong happy to hold my hands up!

    As for flying - Ulduar had a great storyline and was linked to being able to fly. It can be done right.

  3. #5183
    I just want to be able to fly at level cap. Hell I will even take being able to fly come 6.1.

    I just refuse to accept this game w/out flight. It is a deal breaker for me.

  4. #5184
    Quote Originally Posted by Maneo View Post
    I just want to be able to fly at level cap. Hell I will even take being able to fly come 6.1.

    I just refuse to accept this game w/out flight. It is a deal breaker for me.
    I am pretty sure they are instituting a new type of flying called ground flying where your mount hovers just above the ground. That way they do not need to create a million different new running animations.

    I just hope the anti-fly fan boys do not get upset that there is going to be ground flying added to the game. After all it makes sense to alienate 85% of the payerbase I mean playerbase so 15% of the payerbase is happy right? That makes sense right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barkloud View Post
    I am pretty sure they are instituting a new type of flying called ground flying where your mount hovers just above the ground. That way they do not need to create a million different new running animations.
    Hovering =/= flying. Not to mention, flying mounts are HUGE with their wings out (dragons at least) and are really annoying when someone is sitting just off ground level with a flying mount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maneo View Post
    I just want to be able to fly at level cap. Hell I will even take being able to fly come 6.1.

    I just refuse to accept this game w/out flight. It is a deal breaker for me.
    With that sort of attitude your better off just leaving. You cant raid or PvP with such a defeatist mindset.

  7. #5187
    Quote Originally Posted by Barkloud View Post
    I am pretty sure they are instituting a new type of flying called ground flying where your mount hovers just above the ground. That way they do not need to create a million different new running animations.

    I just hope the anti-fly fan boys do not get upset that there is going to be ground flying added to the game. After all it makes sense to alienate 85% of the payerbase I mean playerbase so 15% of the payerbase is happy right? That makes sense right?
    No, but Blizzard found the number to be closer to 50:50.

  8. #5188
    Quote Originally Posted by Giscoicus View Post
    No, but Blizzard found the number to be closer to 50:50.
    Blizzard didn't "find" any such thing because Blizzard has never asked the question. They claim that feedback is running 50/50 and the only feedback they have on this subject is based on the players that bother to post on the forums.

    The percentage of the playerbase who dislikes flying is nowhere near 50 per cent and you don't need access to any data to know this is true. If there are indeed any players for whom flying being in the game is unacceptable, I would assume they are gone after 7 years of flying. Flying wasn't an issue at all until Blizzard made it one by starting this nonsense and then the nostalgia nerds and Blizzard can do no wrong types jumped on the bandwagon. The last hoohah over flying on the forums prior to this was players raising complaining about flying being removed while levelling in Pandaria and there being no tome for alts which is hardly a mass rising asking for flight to be removed.

  9. #5189
    I don't get it.
    Haven't they disabled flying till max/patch.1 in all the expansions?
    What's the big deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuzball3 View Post
    I don't get it.
    Haven't they disabled flying till max/patch.1 in all the expansions?
    What's the big deal?
    No, flying has only been disabled till level cap, except in Wrath when you could get it at 77 and Cata when you could get it right away 'cause old world.

    The "big deal" is the concern that Blizz may never allow flying in WoD. Given some of the dev comments, that's what some people are concerned about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smrund View Post
    No, flying has only been disabled till level cap, except in Wrath when you could get it at 77 and Cata when you could get it right away 'cause old world.
    The "big deal" is the concern that Blizz may never allow flying in WoD. Given some of the dev comments, that's what some people are concerned about.
    I appreciate the response, my bad for being late
    I personally don't believe they would prohibit flying the entire life of the expansion. If they did, they would compensate some how.
    I'll play, and if the game loses it's enjoyability, I'll stop playing. Easy as that

  12. #5192
    Quote Originally Posted by Tommo View Post
    With that sort of attitude your better off just leaving. You cant raid or PvP with such a defeatist mindset.
    True I loathe PVP in WoW.

    However I did just fine regarding raiding. It is just that raiding isn't the majority if the game for me anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyphnos View Post
    Blizzard didn't "find" any such thing because Blizzard has never asked the question. They claim that feedback is running 50/50 and the only feedback they have on this subject is based on the players that bother to post on the forums.

    The percentage of the playerbase who dislikes flying is nowhere near 50 per cent and you don't need access to any data to know this is true. If there are indeed any players for whom flying being in the game is unacceptable, I would assume they are gone after 7 years of flying. Flying wasn't an issue at all until Blizzard made it one by starting this nonsense and then the nostalgia nerds and Blizzard can do no wrong types jumped on the bandwagon. The last hoohah over flying on the forums prior to this was players raising complaining about flying being removed while levelling in Pandaria and there being no tome for alts which is hardly a mass rising asking for flight to be removed.
    I think they are purposely being vague and counting on the silent majority staying uninformed and hoping that once they reach max level in WoD they will be to invested in the characters to just say screw it and quit.

    Personally cause I am informed I got my pre order refunded (used it to purchase Wildstar) and my pre paid time is up the 19th

  13. #5193
    Quote Originally Posted by smrund View Post
    No. I'm in agreement with the idea that if you don't like it, you shouldn't pay for it. Honestly, a "WoW2" doesn't interest me that much.

    What I AM saying is that there are new games being developed with new development teams and new management teams and some of them are quite good. What I AM saying is that if you are tired of WoW, don't look for the company to be rebuilt from scratch along with their products. There are more companies than Blizzard out there and they often make good games. Go play them. You don't need to rely on a Blizzard, now or old, for a good gaming experience.
    Absolutely this.

    When I realized I had no interest in WoD, in fact reacted negatively to nearly every announced 'feature', I started looking around to see what else there is to play. And I've found so many great games to spend my time in that I really don't have enough time for all of them. It can be hard to let go of WoW after you've invested so much of yourself and your time in it, but I wouldn't go back to it now for anything. I'm having too much fun elsewhere

    No flying is IMO a boneheaded decision. If it's a super important thing to you, then the only real way you can show Blizzard that that's how you feel, in a way that they are more likely to notice and care about then a forum post, is to unsubscribe and tell them why and then go find other things to do with your time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smrund View Post
    No, flying has only been disabled till level cap, except in Wrath when you could get it at 77 and Cata when you could get it right away 'cause old world.

    The "big deal" is the concern that Blizz may never allow flying in WoD. Given some of the dev comments, that's what some people are concerned about.
    makes you wonder doesn't it, what if blizzard did the same thing in draenor they did in vanilla wow, ran out of time to make the zones of draenor 100% decent, so used flat and undeveloped textures you couldn't see without farsight or bugging.

    they won't what us to see the laziness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Bond View Post
    I'd like the people who claim this is a "breath of fresh air" and "wonderful idea" or whatever to no longer use flying mounts - even once - until the next expansion, for all their daily activities. At the end of this experiment, you're all free to redefine masochism with your own personal experience.
    oh but nooo, don't you see, all those delightful chaps wants everyone to be on the same level as them, they want everyone not to fly so they can feel special.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post

    oh but nooo, don't you see, all those delightful chaps wants everyone to be on the same level as them, they want everyone not to fly so they can feel special.
    And you want to fly cause...uhm...walking is hard?

  16. #5196
    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon138 View Post
    And you want to fly cause...uhm...walking is hard?
    not hard, slow.

  17. #5197
    Quote Originally Posted by Tanzlee View Post
    not hard, slow.
    Well its a good thing that ground mounts go at 100% walking speed

    you just wont be able to ignore any and all obstacles along the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Bond View Post
    I'd like the people who claim this is a "breath of fresh air" and "wonderful idea" or whatever to no longer use flying mounts - even once - until the next expansion, for all their daily activities. At the end of this experiment, you're all free to redefine masochism with your own personal experience.
    Hindering yourself while everybody else is doing things faster and easier than you is not fun.

    Its not the same when everybody is on the ground. I do like traveling on the ground on the islands Blizzard added, but the greater Pandaria is designed for flying at max level, and only really supports ground based travel while leveling, the layout doesnt support endgame play on ground mounts, neither do daily quests.

    WoD is being designed to support ground based travel. You cant compare the two. WoD wont have dailies off on an island you can't reach without swimming forever or flying. If I want to do Shado-pan dailies right now, i would have to find some way to drag myself out to the island, same as Klaxxi.

  18. #5198
    Quote Originally Posted by Callace View Post
    In theory that sounds dandy, if that's your thing. In practice, I don't think it will mean what you think it does.
    I think it does mean what I do think it... does...

    Yeah.

    Obviously we'll have to wait and see, but they said they want to combine the best parts of TI and the lore chain from Lions Landing/Dom Offensive. If they succeed, that would be the best endgame zone ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Bond View Post
    Flight paths have always existed in game and can take you to wherever you need for your daily questing and even Timeless Isle. When I said don't use flying mounts I wasn't including flight paths, naturally.

    Also, the game was made to support non-flying mount accessibility for most things, even Storm Peaks had a teleportation type system I think.
    There is NO flight point on Klaxxi'vess, because it is assumed you will be there on a flying mount. There is no flight point on Shan'ze Dao because it is assumed you will be there on a flying mount. They assume at max level that you have a flying mount and design the game around it. In WoD, this wont be the case.

    And many many things do not support ground based travel. Getting to Pandaria requires you to fly to the gunship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Bond View Post
    Also, the game was made to support non-flying mount accessibility for most things, even Storm Peaks had a teleportation type system I think.
    Only for the event/quest at the very highest peak. Otherwise you flew around. You even rented a flying mount from the little goblin base because you usually hit Storm Peaks at 76, and got flying at 77.
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