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    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    doesn't matter if farming mats is slower or faster. when they take everything into consideration, you'll only gather as many mats in a certain time period as they intend. this would be true if there were no mounts at all and you walked everywhere or could teleport form node to node.

    no flying has zero effect on material gathering
    Why would they make node runs faster when they're removing flight to slow down players from consuming content at the normal pace? Do you really think they are removing flight to coincide with improvements to the game? You guys are going to burn out a lot quicker than you can imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callace View Post
    Why would they make node runs faster when they're removing flight to slow down players from consuming content at the normal pace? Do you really think they are removing flight to coincide with improvements to the game? You guys are going to burn out a lot quicker than you can imagine.
    Honestly, if nodes are as plentiful and respawn as quickly as they do in Vale, I don't think Blizzard needs to adjust anything, except perhaps placement. Flying around there I can clear the zone of nodes in ~10 minutes. If I had to ride, I would expect it to take about double that time. But that would probably allow nodes to respawn, and I wouldn't have to pause for 5 minutes while gathering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    no flying has zero effect on material gathering
    Ok, let's look at that.

    Flying - My Paladin flys with a 492% speed increase
    Riding - He moves at 241% speed increase
    Running - 130% increase

    Please explain again how flying has NO effect on gathering. Obviously you have discovered a path around physics and shared it with Blizzard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buu View Post
    I have nearly unlimited time to burn, which doesn't mean that I WANT to burn in useless walking.

    Which brings me to the second comment, in which I'm afraid of the trend that Blizzard is caving-in. They Actually are making their work easier, spending less time developing stuff, by doing the old EXCESSIVE time consuming of World of Walkcraft all over again, and then hiding behind some near-sighted players that defend the thing that can't be defended.

    While we kill each other, they high-five each other inside Blizz, telling how smart they are by being like the Syndicate people. You know the ones that throw workers against their bosses, make the two nearly kill each other, and then lock themselves with the bosses in a room, and blackmail a pacification of the workers.
    You don't actually believe this, do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    I didn't ignore it. It is simply irrelevant until they PROVE that it will not take me one SECOND longer to farm without a flying mount than it does right now. Until they can PROVE it, that theory remains in my "They're full of shit" category.
    I can't imagine being so change-averse.

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    I've decided to not discuss with them anymore, lolercaust. It is endless and you'll get stuck in a primitive loop of the same things. *I want to do this fast, i want to do that fast. Superman literally listed his 10 or so reasons as to why Blizzard should keep flying and every single point was "I need it so i can do this faster"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolercaust View Post
    I can't imagine being so change-averse.
    I play WoW because it meets a certain criteria and has always kept to a pattern:

    TBC - Hit 70 - go fly
    Wrath - Hit 80 - go Fly (patch 3.2 made that 77)
    Cata - Hit 60 - go fly
    Pandaria - Hit 90 - go fly

    WoD? Hit 100 - wait til patch 6.1 (unless of course we decide after everyone buys the game and we have the money in our pockets we justwant to say fuck it and leave it out of the game but won't comment now cause that would just mean fewer game sales)

    I am just fine with seeing how things go til 6.1. But the speed of the flying mounts allows me to play 10 hours a week the way I have become accustomed. Without the speed, I am reduced to about 4 hours a week of actual non-farming play time. I have no intention of spending the same amount of money for half the amount of content, and the removal of a key feature which I personally find invaluable.

    People can make up all the bullshit excuses they like, but until I see some shred of evidence in the patch notes, or blizz finds a way to get me from node to node just as fast as a flying mount, I am keeping everything in the "I'll believe it when I fucking see it" pile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sjoa View Post
    I've decided to not discuss with them anymore, lolercaust. It is endless and you'll get stuck in a primitive loop of the same things. *I want to do this fast, i want to do that fast. Superman literally listed his 10 or so reasons as to why Blizzard should keep flying and every single point was "I need it so i can do this faster"
    Yeah, because time is a commodity to some of us.

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    I'm growing tired of this myself.
    I guess it's natural that some people don't want to have their fast travel removed. I just wish there was more open-mindedness, more thought towards the possibility that this little experiment MIGHT bear some significant results that will make the game better. I have my misgivings (since I absolutely LOVE my flying machine and nether drake) but I am willing to suck it up if it means potentially making the game as a whole better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolercaust View Post
    I can't imagine being so change-averse.
    The problem is that if they do screw up, it will be a fairly massive problem throughout the expansion. And even if they don't screw up, they're going through a lot of work to make things as easy as flying when they could just leave flying alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolercaust View Post
    I'm growing tired of this myself.
    I guess it's natural that some people don't want to have their fast travel removed. I just wish there was more open-mindedness, more thought towards the possibility that this little experiment MIGHT bear some significant results that will make the game better. I have my misgivings (since I absolutely LOVE my flying machine and nether drake) but I am willing to suck it up if it means potentially making the game as a whole better.
    I feel like i have been too open minded before and should have complained about the direction of development long before.
    Edit:
    I mean i want flying to be more integrated into the world and should have complained when the trend shifted to grounded content.
    Last edited by Rutger; 2014-04-20 at 12:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    I didn't ignore it. It is simply irrelevant until they PROVE that it will not take me one SECOND longer to farm without a flying mount than it does right now. Until they can PROVE it, that theory remains in my "They're full of shit" category.
    Over dramatization from you aside (who knew), garrisons have been noted for having some sort of farming capabilities. The fact is though they won't make it like farming with a flying mount because if you just sit in your garrison and collect all the mats you need, then when they are aiming to accomplish from removing flying mounts wouldn't matter. Also, in general, (Bolded because i know what you're going to say) there is more to this game than farming mats and i'll be damned if that is the reason flying HAS to be in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ordinator View Post
    Over dramatization from you aside (who knew), garrisons have been noted for having some sort of farming capabilities. The fact is though they won't make it like farming with a flying mount because if you just sit in your garrison and collect all the mats you need, then when they are aiming to accomplish from removing flying mounts wouldn't matter. Also, in general, (Bolded because i know what you're going to say) there is more to this game than farming mats and i'll be damned if that is the reason flying HAS to be in the game.
    There is more to it... you're right about that.

    There is the ability to fly to all of the Pet Battle Tamers (in WoD)
    There is the ability to fly up to the spires in Arak (in WoD)
    There is the ability to fly off to grind rep (in WoD)
    There is the ability to fly to dailies (in WoD)
    There is the ability to fly off and explore the zones from a bird's eye view (in WoD)

    and dozens more reasons why flying mounts improve my QoL in this game. Also, I made sure to include the WoD part for any of the rocket scientists who like to point out "But you can fly to all those things now herp derp".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolercaust View Post
    I'm growing tired of this myself.
    I guess it's natural that some people don't want to have their fast travel removed. I just wish there was more open-mindedness, more thought towards the possibility that this little experiment MIGHT bear some significant results that will make the game better. I have my misgivings (since I absolutely LOVE my flying machine and nether drake) but I am willing to suck it up if it means potentially making the game as a whole better.
    How can a game IMPROVE when someone wants to remove a long running feature and charge you the same amount of money for it. Some raid and heroic achieves come with a Flying mount. How pissed will people be when they spend WEEKS farming an achieve, to get a STELLAR looking flying mount and NOT be able to use it in Draenor, or at their OWN garrison? How many people will rush right out to clear the achieve and not even get to use the mount they just earned in CURRENT content.

    If you grow tired of the fight, then stop fighting. But myself, and the handful of people who firmly believe permanent removal of a prominent feature in a future release is a MAJOR mistake. I can tolerate it for a patch. But come 6.1, I'd better be completing some quest and unlocking flight, cause I have NO problem taking my generous hobby wallet to another MMO. I will find a game that ADDs features, and doesn't GUT the expansion for a theory.

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    There is the ability to fly to all of the Pet Battle Tamers (in WoD)
    Your ground mount will get you there.

    There is the ability to fly up to the spires in Arak (in WoD)

    They will be so much more of a spectacle from the ground. Flying to the top spoils the awe factor.

    There is the ability to fly off to grind rep (in WoD)
    Your ground mount can be used for that too.

    There is the ability to fly to dailies (in WoD)
    No dailies in WoD sorry.

    There is the ability to fly off and explore the zones from a bird's eye view (in WoD)

    Exploring and birds eye view doesn't go hand in hand. Exploring is done at a ground level exclusively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ordinator View Post
    There is the ability to fly to all of the Pet Battle Tamers (in WoD)
    Your ground mount will get you there.

    There is the ability to fly up to the spires in Arak (in WoD)

    They will be so much more of a spectacle from the ground. Flying to the top spoils the awe factor.

    There is the ability to fly off to grind rep (in WoD)
    Your ground mount can be used for that too.

    There is the ability to fly to dailies (in WoD)
    No dailies in WoD sorry.

    There is the ability to fly off and explore the zones from a bird's eye view (in WoD)

    Exploring and birds eye view doesn't go hand in hand. Exploring is done at a ground level exclusively.
    Obviously, you spelled the word flying wrong. It is not g r o u n d. I would have thought this far into the discussion that the word would not elude you. Essentially, since your post is about the WRONG mount, it is invalid. This is about FLYING. Ground mount chat is that way ------>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    Obviously, you spelled the word flying wrong. It is not g r o u n d. I would have thought this far into the discussion that the word would not elude you. Essentially, since your post is about the WRONG mount, it is invalid.
    You're right, your flying mount will get you to all those places.

    While on the ground.
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    which is kind of like saying "of COURSE you can't see the unicorns, unicorns are invisible, silly."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rutger View Post
    I feel like i have been too open minded before and should have complained about the direction of development long before.
    Edit:
    I mean i want flying to be more integrated into the world and should have complained when the trend shifted to grounded content.
    I agree. Had I known Blizz was confused about people LOVING the flying mounts they earned, or purchased with real money, I might have offered them counsel sooner. They probably never would have put the flightless isles or the notion of no flight til 6.1 in the game.

    I blame myself really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiju View Post
    You're right, your flying mount will get you to all those places.

    While on the ground.
    That's not a FLYing mount. That's called hovering. I know it is confusing now, but I promise there is a difference and would gladly Google it for you if that is also a challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    That's not a FLYing mount. That's called hovering. I know it is confusing now, but I promise there is a difference and would gladly Google it for you if that is also a challenge.
    No, that actually is called a FLYING mount. What it's doing at the time is irrelevant, it is a FLYING mount.

    Christ, if you're going to try to be pedantic and avoid legitimate points at least get it right.
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    which is kind of like saying "of COURSE you can't see the unicorns, unicorns are invisible, silly."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ordinator View Post
    There is the ability to fly to all of the Pet Battle Tamers (in WoD)
    Your ground mount will get you there.

    There is the ability to fly up to the spires in Arak (in WoD)

    They will be so much more of a spectacle from the ground. Flying to the top spoils the awe factor.

    There is the ability to fly off to grind rep (in WoD)
    Your ground mount can be used for that too.

    There is the ability to fly to dailies (in WoD)
    No dailies in WoD sorry.

    There is the ability to fly off and explore the zones from a bird's eye view (in WoD)

    Exploring and birds eye view doesn't go hand in hand. Exploring is done at a ground level exclusively.
    Do you get motion sickness easily? You don't play in 1st person view do you? Is it too much to take in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiju View Post
    No, that actually is called a FLYING mount. What it's doing at the time is irrelevant, it is a FLYING mount.

    Christ, if you're going to try to be pedantic and avoid legitimate points at least get it right.
    Your labels are a pretty cheap excuse for ignoring the actual mechanics. Even a second grader can point out the "take to the skies" slogan on the mount store advertisements. If you don't think those labels are misleading, maybe there's some volunteer work you can do for Blizzard's legal department.
    Last edited by Callace; 2014-04-20 at 01:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiju View Post
    No, that actually is called a FLYING mount. What it's doing at the time is irrelevant, it is a FLYING mount.

    Christ, if you're going to try to be pedantic and avoid legitimate points at least get it right.
    A flying mount that doesn't fly, is hardly a legitimate standpoint. This isn't Kindergarten mate. The "it is how it is cuz I say so" argument is not a popular one. A flying mount flys, a ground mount walks. A flying mount on the ground is parked... or hovering, but NOT flying. I swear, you people just want to nit pick and start fights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    How can a game IMPROVE when someone wants to remove a long running feature and charge you the same amount of money for it. Some raid and heroic achieves come with a Flying mount. How pissed will people be when they spend WEEKS farming an achieve, to get a STELLAR looking flying mount and NOT be able to use it in Draenor, or at their OWN garrison? How many people will rush right out to clear the achieve and not even get to use the mount they just earned in CURRENT content.

    If you grow tired of the fight, then stop fighting. But myself, and the handful of people who firmly believe permanent removal of a prominent feature in a future release is a MAJOR mistake. I can tolerate it for a patch. But come 6.1, I'd better be completing some quest and unlocking flight, cause I have NO problem taking my generous hobby wallet to another MMO. I will find a game that ADDs features, and doesn't GUT the expansion for a theory.
    The same reason a person's health can IMPROVE when you remove a cancerous tumor from their body.
    Removing features is not always a bad thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    I agree. Had I known Blizz was confused about people LOVING the flying mounts they earned, or purchased with real money, I might have offered them counsel sooner. They probably never would have put the flightless isles or the notion of no flight til 6.1 in the game.

    I blame myself really.
    You'll still be able to fly in non-current content and in the major capital cities.
    Last edited by Lolercaust; 2014-04-20 at 02:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ordinator View Post
    There is the ability to fly to all of the Pet Battle Tamers (in WoD)
    Your ground mount will get you there.

    There is the ability to fly up to the spires in Arak (in WoD)

    They will be so much more of a spectacle from the ground. Flying to the top spoils the awe factor.

    There is the ability to fly off to grind rep (in WoD)
    Your ground mount can be used for that too.

    There is the ability to fly to dailies (in WoD)
    No dailies in WoD sorry.

    There is the ability to fly off and explore the zones from a bird's eye view (in WoD)

    Exploring and birds eye view doesn't go hand in hand. Exploring is done at a ground level exclusively.
    Flying gets you there in a reasonable amount of time. Seeing the view from the top of mountains is something people really enjoy.... That's why people climb them instead of saying, "oh it just ruins the view." Exploring and birds eye view 100% go hand in hand... It's just a different kind of exploring than on the ground. Oh, there are going to be dailies in WoD too, they just won't be used to gate gear in the same fashion as Mists.

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