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    I never recieved an answer to my theory about how I think when some people hear "No flying in Draenor!" They use Outland as a pointer to the imagination of how Draenor without flying would work. I mean. It makes sense to do that, none of us has played Draenor. We don't know what they will compensate no flying with. But to think no flying in Draenor will be how Outland we know it today without flying would be, is an obvious trap to fall into when we hear that no flying in Draenor will happen...

    I am not a part of this argument anymore, just curious

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    If being dedicated to keeping a valuable feature in the game and not allowing them to take MORE shit away from us on a permanent basis makes me myopic, then so be it. I am not going to kowtow and let Blizz fuck me in the wallet after buying a CE with a Flying mount, for DRAENOR, and purchasing the Iron Skyreaver for $25, an orc-centric flying mount designed for DRAENOR. Being able to ride it is Vanilla-MoP is irrelevant as it is tied to DRAENOR and should be ride-able in DRAENOR. (Emphasised the expansion I was referring to since you people seem to love to fall back on the 'you can fly it in Stormwind herp derp' bullshit).
    No, what makes you myopic is the inability to see all of the flaws in WoW's current design and only able to see how WoW in its current state benefits you personally.
    You're the one stuck in an RP frame of mind. Those mounts are designed for anywhere where flight is allowed. But if you purchased those with the express intent of using them in WoD before Blizzard went public about their issue with flight then I think that is unfair and you should be allowed a full refund.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolercaust View Post
    Flying mounts are not objectively beneficial to the game.
    Oh really, you measured that how, Mr. Empiricist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
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    I understand so far all you have brought me is opinion, hearsay, conjecture, and hyperbole wrapped up in a cute little anecdotal package and have failed to deliver any solid facts about 1) it is being removed for good and 2) bringing those facts directly from BattleNet.
    I never stated it being removed for good so don't strawman me boy.

    Secondly, we don't have facts directly from battle.net. Fansites are the best we have (and historically have been a fair representation). You can keep sticking your head in the sand, though.

    @Callace, because your benefits to flying are entirely subjective. That's why.
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    which is kind of like saying "of COURSE you can't see the unicorns, unicorns are invisible, silly."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolercaust View Post
    You're the one stuck in an RP frame of mind. Those mounts are designed for anywhere where flight is allowed. But if you purchased those with the express intent of using them in WoD before Blizzard going public about their issue with flight then I think that is unfair and you should be allowed a full refund.
    Agreed. And, I should also be allowed to change my 90 Druid to a 90 Paladin since my Swift Flight form, a part of my very class, will be completely fucking useless in the new zones in Draenor (not the current stuff people keep using as flying examples).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callace View Post
    Oh really, you measured that how, Mr. Empiricist?
    I think they quite clearly have pro's and con's.
    Biggest pro: fastest travel to your desired destination.
    Biggest con: less interaction with the world and other players.

    its value all depends on how you personally weight things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by salty goat View Post
    Oh no, no flying until first patch.
    Stopped reading there. Read the title of the thread and continue thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiju View Post
    I never stated it being removed for good so don't strawman me boy.

    Secondly, we don't have facts directly from battle.net. Fansites are the best we have (and historically have been a fair representation). You can keep sticking your head in the sand, though.

    @Callace, because your benefits to flying are entirely subjective. That's why.
    Don't call me boy, racist. Leave your racist slang terms at the door. This entire argument is about NO FLYING AFTER 6.1, not before it. I don't give a fuck about anything before 6.1. But, if 6.1 comes, and flight is NOT unlocked as promised by the official source in my signature, THEN myself, and others who share my view will walk the fuck away from WoW and go find a game that CREATES features, not REMOVES them.

  9. #6249
    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    Thank you for understanding and helping explain it to the more "difficult" folks.
    This thread would be about 100 pages less if it wasn't for your hundreds of comments thanking people for being on your side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    Agreed. And, I should also be allowed to change my 90 Druid to a 90 Paladin since my Swift Flight form, a part of my very class, will be completely fucking useless in the new zones in Draenor (not the current stuff people keep using as flying examples).
    Except your swift flight form will not LOSE anything in the next expansion, the NEWLY ADDED zone won't allow you to fly. All current zones will. Nothing is being taken away so you have no grounds for demanding a refund.
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    which is kind of like saying "of COURSE you can't see the unicorns, unicorns are invisible, silly."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    makes you wonder doesn't it, what if blizzard did the same thing in draenor they did in vanilla wow, ran out of time to make the zones of draenor 100% decent, so used flat and undeveloped textures you couldn't see without farsight or bugging.

    they won't what us to see the laziness.
    And this is a perfect example why I believe that most people don't deserve the right to speak their mind freely, because whatever comes out of their gob is retarded and deserves a backhanded pimpslap around the head.

    Every fucking game developer does this. Because it is unnecessary to develop models or textures for places your players will never see. It is development time and resources that are better spend somewhere else to improve the actual quality of the experience, not lazy development.

    Reading these kinds of posts makes me sad and lose hope for humanity. "They don't want us to see the laziness", you bloody doorknob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tankbound View Post
    its value all depends on how you personally weight things.
    Absolutely, but that's not what he was saying though. By 'objective', he means 'factual'. I don't agree with that at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    Agreed. And, I should also be allowed to change my 90 Druid to a 90 Paladin since my Swift Flight form, a part of my very class, will be completely fucking useless in the new zones in Draenor (not the current stuff people keep using as flying examples).
    is it still an instant cast with the 100% increased ground speed? I can see uses. Granted they're limited when compared to their current state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tankbound View Post
    I think they quite clearly have pro's and con's.
    Biggest pro: fastest travel to your desired destination.
    Biggest con: less interaction with the world and other players.

    its value all depends on how you personally weight things.
    Why should I be FORCED to interact with anyone? I like mining, herbing, pet battles, and dailies. None of those require interaction. Blizz needs to quit removing features as a design to encourage player interaction, and think up some fun shit that actually encourages players to interact. Like World event holidays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callace View Post
    Oh really, you measured that how, Mr. Empiricist?
    I didn't. I'm just pointing out that you waving flying around as a benefit to the game is meaningless because that point is clearly under contention.

    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    Agreed. And, I should also be allowed to change my 90 Druid to a 90 Paladin since my Swift Flight form, a part of my very class, will be completely fucking useless in the new zones in Draenor (not the current stuff people keep using as flying examples).
    That's pushing it, m80.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tankbound View Post
    is it still an instant cast with the 100% increased ground speed? I can see uses. Granted they're limited when compared to their current state.
    It is an instant cast, but only in FLYING locations. If there is no flying, there is no Storm Crow. It is not a mount... it is a Shapeshift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callace View Post
    Absolutely, but that's not what he was saying though. By 'objective', he means 'factual'. I don't agree with that at all.
    Fair enough, the entire topic is subjective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketbear View Post
    Reading these kinds of posts makes me sad and lose hope for humanity. "They don't want us to see the laziness", you bloody doorknob.
    By "humanity" here, you mean Blizzard, correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sjoa View Post
    I never recieved an answer to my theory about how I think when some people hear "No flying in Draenor!" They use Outland as a pointer to the imagination of how Draenor without flying would work. I mean. It makes sense to do that, none of us has played Draenor. We don't know what they will compensate no flying with. But to think no flying in Draenor will be how Outland we know it today without flying would be, is an obvious trap to fall into when we hear that no flying in Draenor will happen...

    I am not a part of this argument anymore, just curious
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolercaust View Post
    That's pushing it, m80.
    I don't see how. They are allowed to fuck my character class by killing a core animal component and I am supposed to sit there, smile and take it? Would be like taking portals away from Mages, or Cabinets away from Warlocks. If they are going to destroy an aspect of my favorite class of the past 8 years, then I say they owe me one.

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