1. #7061
    Quote Originally Posted by Wrathonia View Post
    You know what? Fuck it. I'm done. Even Archage has gliders. Not only that they have boats too. Blizzard just isn't trying, plain and simple.
    agreed.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkArchon View Post
    I can almost taste your arrogance and desperation.

    We know and Blizzard knows if we even have the slightest option to use a flying mount will use it whenever possible...Moment we get the slightest of frustration there we go jumping on the flying mount to bypass. Flying is shit...Accept it.
    Then that should be up to the player to decide how he wants to tackle open world content. Not blizzard at this point.

    They create the constant and you go through it ever how you want. Especially in the open world.

    You want to storm the keep. have at it.
    You want to stealth in and kill just the boss. All you gamer.
    You want to fly in and pick and choose your targets. all you.
    You want to RP it. Have at it.
    You want to get through it as quickly as possible. Thats the gamers decision.
    You want to view every encounter till max level as a speed bump of worthless content and do nothing but raid. Enjoy.


    blizzard taking away flying cause they can't be bothered to balance flying or design content with flying in mind shows a massive lack of ingenuity and creativity.
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  2. #7062
    Removing flying at this point creates more work for Blizzard, not less. That is one of the big (and amusing) urban myths people like to throw around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TyrianFC View Post
    Which is exactly what they should be doing, because they make and design the game, and want us to play it with the vision they intend it be played and experienced.

    This is a good thing.
    Choice is incredibly beneficial to an RPG, regardless of if you put MMO or SP in front of. It's what Bioware got their asses baked over in regards to Mass Effect 3, the lack of choice. It was their story told the way they wanted to tell it. Well, that's great and all, but I can get the exact same experience for a one-time purchase of 6.99 of any copy of any book, ever. What justifies the 49.99 price tag and 14.99 monthly subscription? Well, I guess we're paying for some fancy graphics, but given the choice, I might prefer to pay Patrick Stewart to come read me my copy of The Hobbit.

    A game with choice, options and variety is going to sell much, much better than a linear, railroaded one-time event. What's the incentive to re-roll? You've already seen the game exactly how the devs want you to see it. There is no alternative way to play, there is nothing different you can do next time. Your second to your X^nth playthrough will be exactly the same as your first. What incentive is there for me to keep playing? I've seen it. I'm done.

    That is a very, very bad strategy for a game that wants you to keep playing for months, even years on end, and on top of that, to keep PAYING for it. You do not want to design a game that is a one-trick pony.
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  4. #7064
    Quote Originally Posted by TyrianFC View Post
    Removing flying at this point creates more work for Blizzard, not less.
    How? Can you please explain?
    Quote Originally Posted by joeyray View Post
    what? you can knock people off ground mounts with auto attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TyrianFC View Post
    Removing flying at this point creates more work for Blizzard, not less. That is one of the big (and amusing) urban myths people like to throw around.
    Incorrect. Blizzard own words says flying makes them create to much. So removing it allows them to create less.

  6. #7066
    Quote Originally Posted by quras View Post
    agreed.



    Then that should be up to the player to decide how he wants to tackle open world content. Not blizzard at this point.

    They create the constant and you go through it ever how you want. Especially in the open world.

    You want to storm the keep. have at it.
    You want to stealth in and kill just the boss. All you gamer.
    You want to fly in and pick and choose your targets. all you.
    You want to RP it. Have at it.
    You want to get through it as quickly as possible. Thats the gamers decision.
    You want to view every encounter till max level as a speed bump of worthless content and do nothing but raid. Enjoy.


    blizzard taking away flying cause they can't be bothered to balance flying or design content with flying in mind shows a massive lack of ingenuity and creativity.
    All that works great in the perfect world...We don't live in a perfect world. What sounds good on paper doesn't translate well in the game. People will take the path of least resistance. It's up to Blizzard to establish how they want their game to be experienced and played, and that's exactly what there doing.

    The lack of effort and ingenuity is bull shit. Continuing to design around a aspect that hurts the game as a whole and having split focus between ground and flying play is foolish. It's not the way game is supposed to be played and experienced, sooner you get that threw your head the better. If you don't like it, find a new game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    Removing 8 year old features is NOT good game design. FIXING them is.
    They are FIXING it. Removing a mistake they made 8 years ago.
    Last edited by DarkArchon; 2014-04-26 at 12:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkArchon View Post
    All that works great in the perfect world...We don't live in a perfect world. What sounds good on paper doesn't translate well in the game. People will take the path of least resistance. It's up to Blizzard to establish how they want their game to be experienced and played, and that's exactly what there doing.
    Well, I suppose if they want their game to be experienced in a way that makes a lot of their subscribes unhappy, they'll pay the price.
    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    People in cars cause accidents. Accidents in cars cause people.
    Sometimes life gives you lemons, other times life gives you boobies. Life is always better with more boobies.
    Blizzard removed my subscription from WoD's features, it'll be added sometime later.
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  8. #7068
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkArchon View Post
    They are FIXING it. Removing a mistake they made 8 years ago.
    A "mistake" that many love... Makes a lot of sense. If it wasn't loved they would have removed it long ago. It was one of the most requested features in TBC and wrath to enable flying in classic areas.
    Quote Originally Posted by joeyray View Post
    what? you can knock people off ground mounts with auto attack.

  9. #7069
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkArchon View Post
    All that works great in the perfect world...We don't live in a perfect world. What sounds good on paper doesn't translate well in the game. People will take the path of least resistance. It's up to Blizzard to establish how they want their game to be experienced and played, and that's exactly what there doing.
    My rogue, druid, hunter and mage says I don't give a rats ass what blizzard puts in my way.

    I'll skip it.

    Flying just allowed everyone to play how they want. Removing flying past max level is something that no one should support. Removing features instead of expanding on them is some pretty flawed design.


    They are FIXING it. Removing a mistake they made 8 years ago.
    My wallet says otherwise as well as all the other flying mounts I have bought and collected over the years.

    Not using them in current content at max level that I paid more cash for than any previous expansions is unacceptable.

    That mistake you think it is. That mistake was part of the formula that brought WOW to 12 million subs.

    Poor story and poor designed content lost them 6 million subs.

    Flying is not the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkArchon View Post
    They are FIXING it. Removing a mistake they made 8 years ago.
    Therapy about who you are would be "fixing it". Taking your own life is "removal" There is a difference. Removing flight is not a fix. It is a removal. Fixing it would imply balancing it and making it more on par with ground mounts.

  11. #7071
    Quote Originally Posted by smrund View Post
    Well, I suppose if they want their game to be experienced in a way that makes a lot of their subscribes unhappy, they'll pay the price.
    Will make some people unhappy = Will make some people happy. They won't pay any price. This is my opinion here but i believe more people will be happy then unhappy. A majority from what i've seen so far either like it or they just don't care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    Therapy about who you are would be "fixing it". Taking your own life is "removal" There is a difference. Removing flight is not a fix. It is a removal. Fixing it would imply balancing it and making it more on par with ground mounts.
    This seems to be a thing that's alluding you. You can't balance flying and ground mounts within the game...Having the same aspects, risks, whatever, you name it. To do so would be a massive undertaking and a lot of develop... In the end wouldn't be worth it. It's either a ground game or it isn't. I know in your world you like to believe ground and flying can live in perfect harmony, be balanced...It can't be. Way to much shit would have to be developed, would be a mess. I know it's easy sitting there in your chair thinking it's a simple fix, easy as pie. It ain't and it's not practical.

  12. #7072
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkArchon View Post
    SNIP...

    The lack of effort and ingenuity is bull shit. Continuing to design around a aspect that hurts the game as a whole and having split focus between ground and flying play is foolish. It's not the way game is supposed to be played and experienced, sooner you get that threw your head the better. If you don't like it, find a new game.

    SNIP....
    IT is bullshit. blizzard general lack of effort and creativity the last number of years has been astounding.

    Flying has never hurt the game. TBC and WoTLK would like a word with you.

    It wasn't until story and good content turned to crap did we see millions leave. Flying didn't cause that.
    Poor story and poorly designed content did.

    When content was designed around flying and it was turned into part of the game. Subs have never been higher.

    This game has problems but flying is just the scapegoat for the "don't look behind the curtain" charlatan developers that seem to have lost any creative will.

    Hell, this whole expansion is a trip down nostalgia lane so blizzard can relive some days of past glories but get this. That cannot be recaptured.

  13. #7073
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkArchon View Post
    Will make some people unhappy = Will make some people happy. They won't pay any price. This is my opinion here but i believe more people will be happy then unhappy. A majority from what i've seen so far either like it or they just don't care.

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    This seems to be a thing that's alluding you. You can't balance flying and ground mounts within the game...Having the same aspects, risks, whatever, you name it. To do so would be a massive undertaking and a lot of develop... In the end wouldn't be worth it. It's either a ground game or it isn't. I know in your world you like to believe ground and flying can live in perfect harmony, be balanced...It can't be. Way to much shit would have to be developed, would be a mess. I know it's easy sitting there in your chair thinking it's a simple fix, easy as pie. It ain't and it's not practical.
    They are going to lose more people than gain.

    I love world PVP but the majority of WoW players are:

    1. PVE players
    2. Do dailies, gathering professions, etc
    3. They queue for endgame PVE/PVP

    The PVE backlash will be immense.

    World PVP is going to be dead in WoD because they are allowing solo queue arena skirmishes which is an experiment to do a solo queue rated arena system IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkArchon View Post
    Will make some people unhappy = Will make some people happy. They won't pay any price. This is my opinion here but i believe more people will be happy then unhappy. A majority from what i've seen so far either like it or they just don't care.
    This is my opinion, contrary to your beliefs I believe more people will be unhappy than happy by the removal of flying as an option. A majority from what I have seen are so far either upset about it, or just don't care.

    Speaking only from myself, and not from personal assumptions and beliefs - I already KNOW I prefer being able to fly, to me the game became richer the second they implemented the much sought after flying skill, flying mounts and eventually revamp of the old world into supporting flying. I know this because I started to play WoW at launch all those years back, I DO got something to compare with. A lot of the nay-sayers to flying don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkArchon View Post
    This seems to be a thing that's alluding you.

    You can't balance flying and ground mounts within the game...Having the same aspects, risks, whatever, you name it.

    To do so would be a massive undertaking and a lot of develop... In the end wouldn't be worth it.
    You state emphatically it cannot be done, and on the VERY NEXT SENTENCE turn right around and say it can be done, just not worth it. So which is it? Can it be done and they are just being cheap and lazy? Or can it NOT be done at all, ever? Please, choose your words wisely, cause one way makes you a liar and the other way makes you naive.

  16. #7076
    They did it in WotLK.

    They are refusing to put in the budget/time to make it happen. Personally, I think garrisons is a bigger waste of time than Path of Titans. Path of Titans at least what lead to the genesis of the current talent system.

  17. #7077
    Flying has never hurt the game. TBC and WoTLK would like a word with you.

    You mean before WoW was suffering from the long term side effects of flying? Yeah sure, it wasn't as bad back then.


    Quote Originally Posted by quras View Post
    Hell, this whole expansion is a trip down nostalgia lane so blizzard can relive some days of past glories but get this. That cannot be recaptured.
    Pretty big statement and statements coming from someone who hasn't stepped a foot in WoD. Think you got a severe case of the negative nannyies.

  18. #7078
    Just taking a look at the topographic view of the geomorphology of WoD continent tells you that their no flying stance is going to be straight up a bad, bad decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkArchon View Post
    Will make some people unhappy = Will make some people happy. They won't pay any price. This is my opinion here but i believe more people will be happy then unhappy. A majority from what i've seen so far either like it or they just don't care..
    The problem is, making people who are going to pay for the game no matter what Blizzard does happy is irrelevant. The end goal is to increase the subscriber base, not shrink it. And so far, I have heard far fewer people claim to want to "rejoin" WoW over no-flying than those who would leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
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  20. #7080
    I love it when the casual player base who barely plays this game other than flying around the mountains on a sight seeing tour want to make the game worse for everyone else. I'm tired of going into empty zones because everyone is flying around and there is no player interaction. If you want to go fly around and skip everything, go and play a single player game but stop trying to ruin it for everyone else. I am happy Blizzard is finally realizing this and bringing the WORLD back into Warcraft.
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