1. #961
    Quote Originally Posted by Confucius View Post
    mining will be absolute garbage without flying
    Wont by any different than pre Cata.

  2. #962
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mafic View Post
    I feel sorry for those with gathering professions to be honest and the crafting professions will be hit somewhat but you can still function somewhat. To me MMORPG's are about progression not going backwards in design...that is why character models are being upgraded for WoD and why the talent system was over hauled in MoP, etc. Just my two cents IMVHO.
    They won't get hit at all. If it's anything like pandaria, nodes will be everywhere. And, supply will drop, and in some cases so will demand (jewlcrafting) but a lack of supply will just increase price so Demand drops and there will be an equilibrium

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    As opposed to allowing no one to fly? It's very selfish and entitled, yano?



    Flying not restricted: everyone is freely able to choose between flying and not flying. Flying fans can fly, and flying haters can choose not to.

    Flying restricted: no one can fly, and so flying fans can't fly, while flying haters can enjoy it.
    I like to run, but I entered a race where you can use feet, or a bike. Who won?
    It was never Hardcore Vs Casual. It was Socialites Vs. Solo players
    Quote Originally Posted by ringpriest View Post
    World of Warcraft started life as a Computer Roleplaying Game, where part of the fun of the game experience was pretending to be your character. Stuff like applying poisons and eating food enhanced the verisimilitude of the experience of playing a fantasy character in another world. Now that game has changed to become a tactical arcade lobby game.

  3. #963
    Quote Originally Posted by roahn the warlock View Post
    They won't get hit at all. If it's anything like pandaria, nodes will be everywhere. And, supply will drop, and in some cases so will demand (jewlcrafting) but a lack of supply will just increase price so Demand drops and there will be an equilibrium

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    I like to run, but I entered a race where you can use feet, or a bike. Who won?

    WoW isn't a race. It's a game.


    And not all races are competitive. Some races can be just for the fun of it, which is a better comparison. If you finish the race on foot, you can be proud of yourself because you managed to do it without making use of a bike. No professional race would make you choose between a bike or doing it on foot. Now you can say someone could go on foot on a bike race, and yes that would inconvenience them, but what would someone on foot even do at a 'BIKE RACE'?
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    Well it's good to see the keyboard activists in full effect. Doing the laziest, most asinine thing they could think of off the top of their heads and calling it justice while making no difference.
    Quote Originally Posted by C9H20
    Blizzard effectively wants to have its cake and eat it too by pretending to have this groundbreaking war in a faction capital while at the same time being completely unwilling to portray logical consequences of such an event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    WoW isn't a race. It's a game.


    And not all races are competitive. Some races can be just for the fun of it, which is a better comparison. If you finish the race on foot, you can be proud of yourself because you managed to do it without making use of a bike. No professional race would make you choose between a bike or doing it on foot. Now you can say someone could go on foot on a bike race, and yes that would inconvenience them, but what would someone on foot even do at a 'BIKE RACE'?
    So, hold on. I'm going to go ahead and give you my raid leader's email, and you can tell her to let me ride my ground mount while I level, or farm mats, or do quests, or get to dungeons. All things that apparently are not a race (lolwut)

    And just to reiterate in a way that isn't sarcastic

    "Be level 100 by the time raiding opens"

    "Get all available crafted gear for first week of raiding"

    "Get all reputation gear and recipies"

    "Get all available dungeon gear"

    In the order I listed above. All of these are a race against time, not other people. Other people isn't the issue, time is
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    It was never Hardcore Vs Casual. It was Socialites Vs. Solo players
    Quote Originally Posted by ringpriest View Post
    World of Warcraft started life as a Computer Roleplaying Game, where part of the fun of the game experience was pretending to be your character. Stuff like applying poisons and eating food enhanced the verisimilitude of the experience of playing a fantasy character in another world. Now that game has changed to become a tactical arcade lobby game.

  5. #965
    Sure. Just refund the money I spent on flying mounts in the shop.

  6. #966
    Quote Originally Posted by roahn the warlock View Post
    They won't get hit at all. If it's anything like pandaria, nodes will be everywhere. And, supply will drop, and in some cases so will demand (jewlcrafting) but a lack of supply will just increase price so Demand drops and there will be an equilibrium

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    I like to run, but I entered a race where you can use feet, or a bike. Who won?
    You. Because you kicked that dude from his bike. Too bad you can't do anything against flying mounts anymore, at least you were able to poly/hex/knockback people from their mounts (it was pretty rare, which made it so funny). The only time you can poly/hex people off their mounts now, is if they allow you to (by standing on the ground with their flying mounts).

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    if this is the case.. I WILL NOT be buying...

  8. #968
    Quote Originally Posted by roahn the warlock View Post
    So, hold on. I'm going to go ahead and give you my raid leader's email, and you can tell her to let me ride my ground mount while I level, or farm mats, or do quests, or get to dungeons. All things that apparently are not a race (lolwut)

    So then, if you don't want to do competitive play, or a "race", then don't enter the race. You knew full well that you would have to use every advantage you could while leveling, once you signed up for raiding. This is not comparable. It's like saying leveling has to be changed because your raid leader wanting you to be ready for raiding currently doesn't allow you to enjoy all the quests and lore, like you would prefer to. You joined a competitive race, and now you're complaining about the fact that people want you to be competitive. You're not forced to, you chose to.


    If you wanted to be able to do everything your own way, without taking the path of least resistance or the path that took you to your goal the fast, you wouldn't have joined a raiding guild. Instead, you did. And now you want something to be removed from other people because you can't handle the duties/obligations of something you willingly signed up for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leaks View Post
    Well it's good to see the keyboard activists in full effect. Doing the laziest, most asinine thing they could think of off the top of their heads and calling it justice while making no difference.
    Quote Originally Posted by C9H20
    Blizzard effectively wants to have its cake and eat it too by pretending to have this groundbreaking war in a faction capital while at the same time being completely unwilling to portray logical consequences of such an event.

  9. #969
    No flying is an experiment that will last until 6.1 if the idea turns out to be bad. If people love no flying 3-4 months after release, they'll keep no flying for the whole of the expansion, imo.

    Tbh, I'm sick of just flying and dropping down onto objectives, it's not challenging, and it's straight-up boring. One of the main reasons I hated Cataclysm, they shrunk their new zones with it, and Vash'jir was just 100% longer than any other zone because of the lack of flying.

    I think it's a good idea, because it'll give Draenor that extra-feeling of savagery, danger and brutality that it sorely needs if it to succeed as a world that shaped the most savage, brutal, maniacal race in Warcraft.

  10. #970
    Quote Originally Posted by Kurgulok View Post
    No flying is an experiment that will last until 6.1 if the idea turns out to be bad. If people love no flying 3-4 months after release, they'll keep no flying for the whole of the expansion, imo.

    Tbh, I'm sick of just flying and dropping down onto objectives, it's not challenging, and it's straight-up boring. One of the main reasons I hated Cataclysm, they shrunk their new zones with it, and Vash'jir was just 100% longer than any other zone because of the lack of flying.

    I think it's a good idea, because it'll give Draenor that extra-feeling of savagery, danger and brutality that it sorely needs if it to succeed as a world that shaped the most savage, brutal, maniacal race in Warcraft.

    Something that might help with that is no flying until cap, which we've had for all expansions except Cataclysm. And even I think flying in Cata should've only been available after hitting 85. I thought doing it for 60s was a mistake.
    Quote Originally Posted by leaks View Post
    Well it's good to see the keyboard activists in full effect. Doing the laziest, most asinine thing they could think of off the top of their heads and calling it justice while making no difference.
    Quote Originally Posted by C9H20
    Blizzard effectively wants to have its cake and eat it too by pretending to have this groundbreaking war in a faction capital while at the same time being completely unwilling to portray logical consequences of such an event.

  11. #971
    Quote Originally Posted by Anzaman View Post
    Probably by some numbers, but also at the same time when player for forced to stay on the ground (excluding flight paths and zeppelins), as (s)he will also need to watch out for obstacles; walls, hostile villages, mountains, and so on. So at least it'll make players a bit more "in" the zone and make the world more meaningful than with current situation where player just flies to 100 meters high and put auto-run on until (s)he reaches the destined location.
    Since those obstacles were always there during the leveling process (we can't fly during leveling)....

    why remove flying at max level?

    What need does a dungeon, raid and arena running toon need with a forced move to make him run on the ground for an additional 2-4 months after he has reached max level?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurgulok View Post
    SNIP

    Tbh, I'm sick of just flying and dropping down onto objectives, it's not challenging, and it's straight-up boring.

    SNIP
    Blame that on poor quest design brought to you by blizzard themselves.

    In the large number of threads about flying VS no flying there have been a number of ideas on how to design quests with flying still there at max level. If gamers can come up with ideas (and no quests are not all in caves or buildings) you would think blizzard could too but you know what? Apparently not.
    Last edited by quras; 2014-03-10 at 01:49 PM.

  12. #972
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    So then, if you don't want to do competitive play, or a "race", then don't enter the race. You knew full well that you would have to use every advantage you could while leveling, once you signed up for raiding. This is not comparable. It's like saying leveling has to be changed because your raid leader wanting you to be ready for raiding currently doesn't allow you to enjoy all the quests and lore, like you would prefer to. You joined a competitive race, and now you're complaining about the fact that people want you to be competitive. You're not forced to, you chose to.


    If you wanted to be able to do everything your own way, without taking the path of least resistance or the path that took you to your goal the fast, you wouldn't have joined a raiding guild. Instead, you did. And now you want something to be removed from other people because you can't handle the duties/obligations of something you willingly signed up for.
    Even if he's "forced", it's still not a problem. Just do what I do: rush through all the content as fast as possible, download addons that auto-accept/hand-in all quests and just keep on stomping through everything. Then when you're max level, disable to addons and once you have some spare time after raiding, level your alt on a slow pace while enjoying the environment and lore (if that's your thing).

    Your experience would be a bit delayed, but I don't see why you couldn't just do that.

  13. #973
    Quote Originally Posted by Seditian View Post
    Even if he's "forced", it's still not a problem. Just do what I do: rush through all the content as fast as possible, download addons that auto-accept/hand-in all quests and just keep on stomping through everything. Then when you're max level, disable to addons and once you have some spare time after raiding, level your alt on a slow pace while enjoying the environment and lore (if that's your thing).

    Your experience would be a bit delayed, but I don't see why you couldn't just do that.

    Because obviously, the big bad flying mounts force themselves on you. It's better for everyone, flying haters and lovers alike, if those malicious things were removed! Look at how efficiently they break down the fundamental pillars that hold the World of Warcraft game up and alive!
    Quote Originally Posted by leaks View Post
    Well it's good to see the keyboard activists in full effect. Doing the laziest, most asinine thing they could think of off the top of their heads and calling it justice while making no difference.
    Quote Originally Posted by C9H20
    Blizzard effectively wants to have its cake and eat it too by pretending to have this groundbreaking war in a faction capital while at the same time being completely unwilling to portray logical consequences of such an event.

  14. #974
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Because obviously, the big bad flying mounts force themselves on you. It's better for everyone, flying haters and lovers alike, if those malicious things were removed! Look at how efficiently they break down the fundamental pillars that hold the World of Warcraft game up and alive!
    Seeing as how back in TBA and WoTLK, we had flying and those fundamental pillar were the strongest ever in both game design and sub numbers, I'd say you were wrong and flying should be designed around, not removed so quest designers can take the lazy train.

  15. #975
    Quote Originally Posted by quras View Post
    Seeing as how back in TBA and WoTLK, we had flying and those fundamental pillar were the strongest ever in both game design and sub numbers, I'd say you were wrong and flying should be designed around, not removed so quest designers can take the lazy train.

    I'm being sarcastic, if you hadn't noticed. :P
    Quote Originally Posted by leaks View Post
    Well it's good to see the keyboard activists in full effect. Doing the laziest, most asinine thing they could think of off the top of their heads and calling it justice while making no difference.
    Quote Originally Posted by C9H20
    Blizzard effectively wants to have its cake and eat it too by pretending to have this groundbreaking war in a faction capital while at the same time being completely unwilling to portray logical consequences of such an event.

  16. #976
    Quote Originally Posted by Idoru View Post
    Sure. Just refund the money I spent on flying mounts in the shop.
    Why? You can still fly everywhere you could, when you bought those mounts. Nothing that you had, or were able to do, is being taken away from you.

  17. #977
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    I'm being sarcastic, if you hadn't noticed. :P
    I'm terrible at seeing that on the internet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Geish View Post
    Why? You can still fly everywhere you could, when you bought those mounts. Nothing that you had, or were able to do, is being taken away from you.
    Except flying at max level in current content which is after all, why he bought the game. So he could play and fly in current content and not feel slight in the extra money he spent supporting the game after he reached max level.

    but yea, lets screw over that guy and remove one of the reason he bought the mount to start with. Flying in content that is current, not old.
    Last edited by quras; 2014-03-10 at 01:55 PM.

  18. #978
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Because obviously, the big bad flying mounts force themselves on you. It's better for everyone, flying haters and lovers alike, if those malicious things were removed! Look at how efficiently they break down the fundamental pillars that hold the World of Warcraft game up and alive!
    Although I'm not a big fan of flying mounts, Blizzard would be stupid to remove them without much notice. I do think if they're able to create a continent that makes you feel you don't need a flying mount, it would be cool. I really liked exploring Timeless Isle, which would never be as dangerous/fun with flying mounts there.

  19. #979
    Quote Originally Posted by quras View Post
    I'm terrible at seeing that on the internet.

    I made my post look especially ridiculous to make my sarcasm obvious, too! D:
    Quote Originally Posted by leaks View Post
    Well it's good to see the keyboard activists in full effect. Doing the laziest, most asinine thing they could think of off the top of their heads and calling it justice while making no difference.
    Quote Originally Posted by C9H20
    Blizzard effectively wants to have its cake and eat it too by pretending to have this groundbreaking war in a faction capital while at the same time being completely unwilling to portray logical consequences of such an event.

  20. #980
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    I'm being sarcastic, if you hadn't noticed. :P
    I was aware of that, yes. It was pretty obvious.

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