Well at this point it's much better than "I think WoW will lose 10 million billiion subs because of no flying because I want flying"
I have friends who are returning because of the appeal of no flying. And I'm sure they aren't the only ones. So to say that because of no flying subs are only going to go down is just silly
At this point, I've moved on from even caring if they bring back flying as this game has gotten terrible. I look forward to the lulls when those who don't know about this flying mess discover it, as well as watching the sub numbers continue to dive. What are we at now? 6.8?
This game has turned into complete crap and I'll shake my head and laugh as the most compelling gameplay in this next expansion is that of someone making a youtube video of him dry humping a rock as he shows his "leet" platforming skills.
Your anecdotal evidence is just as silly as someone saying subs will go down because of no flying. Either side of the argument has no evidence to support said claims.
I just want the damn game to be out and then we can see what will actually happen. We can all sit back eat pop corn and watch.
no-flying has shit all to do with hardcoreness. so let's nip that in the bud right the fuck now.
Ahh...Anecdotal evidence at its best. I'll use some too.
My entire guild consisting of about 150 active accounts have currently left wow and playing a different game due to the direction wow has taken. In saying that, We also asked around about what gamers thought about removing flying for some undisclosed amount of time and what looks like well past max level and the general response has been, "WTF - blizzard wants us to run on the ground for no better reason than they forgot how to design content like they did in TBC and WoLK. Why support that kind of lack luster design."
Being in beta has shown me removing flying is not some great game development or brought any new, fun or interesting game play to wow. It's done nothing but extend the tedious at max level all in the name of extending the life cycle of content well beyond what it is capable of supporting as far as fun or entertaining goes. You can thank the all mighty dollar for that design move and you can thank blizzard for reducing the game to that low state. What can be done for the least amount of work but also retain the most people.
No flying is nothing more than a move to slow content consumption and nothing good has been brought to beta because of it. Just longer runs though worthless mobs you were long done caring about 8 levels ago.
Lemme try your type of argument..
Omg you lack the ability to reason and reading comprehension as well also!!
The part that you "snipped" literally acknowledged that what i was saying was anecdotal. Everyone has put forth some sort of anecdote in this thread. Im just offering my own to show that using it to say subs are going to plummet is stupid. People are returning for the same reason.
But what do i know im just an anti flyer who isnt allowed to be anecdotal like the pro flyers.
Really, people are returning for the same reason? You'd be hard pressed to make me believe that given this very thread. So far, blizzard has lost more subs than any other MMO in creation and unlike what happened to subs in the past around the pre-cataclysm days, those gamers that left are not being replaced. Hence the overall decline in subs.
removing flying isn't helping the case. Those that left did so because of a plethora of reasons and I bet none were because of flying. Just like you didn't leave because you could fly. It's actually not a big enough reason for you. Just like it's not a big enough reason to bring anyone back. Something else might do it but flying being removed sure as hell isn't. (take that for what you will)
Who knows what you know. What I know is from beta and no flying isn't helping this game - AT ALL.But what do i know im just an anti flyer who isnt allowed to be anecdotal like the pro flyers.
It is obvious that at some point, Blizzard regretted implanting flight at first place, but what is the reason for it? Flying making more sub losses? Inability to put more contents in the World? Possibility to save more money by removing flying? Whatever it is, we can at least guess that 'Blizzard thinks' it won't going to hurt their revenue, since no sane developers would want to reduce their revenue on purpose. That's why I'm skeptical about 'major sub losses thx to flying'(and I'm also skeptical about major sub gains thx to flying as well)
I must have missed this reply and since I refuse to use the anti flight tactic of ignoring posts I will respond.
How do flight paths not exist in my scenario? Do we not have flight paths in MoP?
Unless flight paths are going to be at every point of interest in WoD (pro tip they are not), then that percentage is going to be accurate.
You see once you land from your flight path you have to get on a mount that is 67% slower and head to your objective.
Really I know it doesn't fit your agenda but please don't try to be ignorant.
I got to disagree on that. Maybe one guy that is no longer their didn't care for it but overall it's been nothing but a massive cash stream for them.
You'd be hard pressed to convince me flying was a problem when TBC and WoTLK were so successful.
Why do you think they are removing flying in current content they want you to pay $50 for (AKA more money) and yet still selling flying mounts in the cash shop? It's just too big a cash grab to let it go and actually support their no flying move. IT's got little or nothing to do with old content and still being able to fly there cause few will actually be there. They want to be where the action is, the new expansion areas.
Then you take into account redoing the entire world to allow flying. what they do just doesn't support removing flying and placing a harder travel system on players in a game where the travel system already sucks ass.
Now, you could argue that TI -style content was their move to no flying. However, that content has a very limited lifecycle and was not really all that good when we got it as a free patch. No way in hell would it be worth paying $50 for plus there is nothing their that couldn't be tweaked and still allow flying at max level. Even jumping puzzle quests.
You want to retain gamers, TI style content is not what held gamers to MoP. No flying in those areas is not what helped the retain people to MoP. It was OK as an area and for those that liked it, keep it in game but TI-style content isn't good enough to kill off flying in the entire game.
Thats actually an easy question to answer. It's the answer blizzard quickly removed from their post. They have every intention for no flying to prolong content. It's just that simple.but what is the reason for it?
No flying brings nothing to the game. No interesting mechanics. No increase to fun, no WPVP increase and definitely not more social interaction. No flying changes at max level brings nothing. It's clear from beta and clear from past TI style content design.
It's being done to make tedious things more tedious, kill off small amounts of play time from every single gamer in wow and do it repeatedly thus consuming at the end of the day, a massive amount of game time from every player.
Just like when you hit /played and see that total counter and go WTF! If you could do a /wastedtraveltimedotonoflyingatmaxlevel you would also go WTF in WoD.
I highly doubt flying is the reason any gamer left wow. However, I can guarantee you, removing flying is a reason gamers will leave (amongst other reason as it wont be the only one).Flying making more sub losses?
Wait till you see some max level game stuff in WoD. Travel that same road again and again, play with blizzard amazing daze mechanics, fight those worthless time killer mobs for nothing, take that AFK-craptastic flight path again and again that got no better and then watch your mimron's head, onyxia drake mount (or whatever flying mount you like) do nothing but flop on the ground after having them soar through the skies and you'll again go WTF! This is stupid.
Then you'll see. Beta has shown us WoD is nothing but more of the same old, same old content we have been getting for the past 2 expansions and removing flying at max level isn't warranted.
It does seem blizzard is incapable of that. 14 months of no content to live pretty much sucks. blizzard having an inability is an understatement.Inability to put more contents in the World?
More like what is the smallest amount we can do as far as content goes but retain gamers. It does all lead back to money though, no longer wanting to create a game that is so good it generates cash on it's greatness but what is the least that can be done and retain gamers.Possibility to save more money by removing flying?
You would think that but heres the rub. IF your game has a feature that sets you apart from most all other MMO's, it's logical to think, "you do not remove that feature." You highlight it, expand it, develop it and make the other game companies wish they could keep up.Whatever it is, we can at least guess that 'Blizzard thinks' it won't going to hurt their revenue, since no sane developers would want to reduce their revenue on purpose.
However, blizzard is no longer a company to do that it seems. There trying to remove that stand out feature so to extend content and create easier to develop content like TI. It's all about the cash, not good gaming.
I don't know if it will be major. It will be some. I hope it's a shit load and puts blizzard into the hole most mmos are in where they are doing all they can to retain their customers. Some struggling but making a great effort. Thats not blizzard.That's why I'm skeptical about 'major sub losses thx to flying'(and I'm also skeptical about major sub gains thx to flying as well)
blizzard being on top for so long as warped their vision. They simply don't care to piss customers off by removing loved features many gamers work years to get and spent additional cash to acquire.
If they cared even a little, you would at a minimum have a solid decision on when flying would be back or if not at all for WoD but they can't be bothered to even pull that off. Can't have gamers making an educated decision on buying the box or not just yet. Keep gamers in the dark till well after the over inflated box is purchased playing on the hopes that it might return.
Last edited by quras; 2014-08-27 at 03:21 PM.