1. #17181
    Quote Originally Posted by Maneo View Post
    Logic, deductive reasoning, and common sense are not allowed on this thread... lol
    The only thing I see in this thread is clouded judgement caused by extreme bais

  2. #17182

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ordinator View Post
    The only thing I see in this thread is clouded judgement caused by extreme bais
    I see why people are upset. The truth is blizzard is smoking crack if they think they can remove their main transportation after 7 years and think people will embrace it.

    Sure there are a handful of people who support it. The majority of the millions of players do not support their transportation being gutted.

    Flight paths destroy immersion. Running on a mount is completely broken at 100%. People will rage.

  3. #17183
    Quote Originally Posted by Barkloud View Post

    Sure there are a handful of people who support it. The majority of the millions of players do not support their transportation being gutted.
    Just making up information. Nothing to see here folks. No wonder nobody takes you seriously.

  4. #17184
    Quote Originally Posted by Barkloud View Post
    I see why people are upset. The truth is blizzard is smoking crack if they think they can remove their main transportation after 7 years and think people will embrace it.

    Sure there are a handful of people who support it. The majority of the millions of players do not support their transportation being gutted.

    Flight paths destroy immersion. Running on a mount is completely broken at 100%. People will rage.
    Only time will tell. I however believe that if flight isn't returned in 6.1 a month or so after the player base will be reduced to less then 5 million.

    If that is enough of a hit to the bottom line, that it cancels out any savings they may have gained from being able to develop future content w/out flight in mind (like they did in Vanilla) then I would expect flight to return and them not to try this little experiment again.

  5. #17185
    No flying means I can finally play WoW and not be tempted to skip content to reach my objective. People who want flight just want their reward without having to work for it.

  6. #17186
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaagii View Post
    No flying means I can finally play WoW and not be tempted to skip content to reach my objective. People who want flight just want their reward without having to work for it.
    No flight allows you to skip trivial content. Seriously how many times do you want to kill mobs that pose no threat challenge or reward ... how long will that be fun honestly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ordinator View Post
    The only thing I see in this thread is clouded judgement caused by extreme bais
    I have no bias (although I really don't like PVP in this game) and because I play every aspect of the game I can see the negative effects it is going to have on the majority of players .. and I can even see the possibility of the positive effects it may have in PVP. However the possibility of positive effects on PVP do not weigh out the negative effects it would have on the rest of the non instanced game.

    That being said since I don't see one aspect being more important than the other.. I am about as unbiased as you can get.

    I have even said multiple times that no flight could work, it could give Blizzard the ability to create some very innovative and original content. The problem is beta didn't deliver.

    So in the current state of WoW taking flight away from WoD for more then a few months is bad game design not beneficial to the player.

    I think that hard on you have for WPVP is depriving your brain of some much needed oxygen, or maybe that is just your Bias talking?

  7. #17187
    Quote Originally Posted by Maneo View Post
    I think that hard on you have for WPVP is depriving your brain of some much needed oxygen, or maybe that is just your Bias talking?
    I barely even bring up WPvP. And you've exhausted that line the first 10 times you've used it. Got anything original?

  8. #17188
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaagii View Post
    No flying means I can finally play WoW and not be tempted to skip content to reach my objective. People who want flight just want their reward without having to work for it.
    I'll just put this here, it was in reply to another post in another topic, but it relates to why flying is important to me. (it was in response to someone who felt their character was complete after getting a ground mount and didn't understand the appeal to fly in an RPG)

    You may have, but I did not share the feeling. Sure, it was better then walking, but I wanted to fly from when I first took flight paths and longed to be able to deviate from the path because I loved looking at the world from the sky. I always wanted my own gryphon. Then later I wanted my own dragon. I was so, so excited that BC was adding flight. It improved the game for me so much. To never again take to the skies on my own mount in a new place, fly freely, swoop down a waterfall, or do loops around a bridge, dive down into a canyon or valley, skim the treetops, see the beautiful views from the sky without being handcuffed to a flight path.... that just makes the game totally unappealing to me.

    And adding that I was a hardcore raider for over 6 years, in top 1% guilds. I was burned out by Cata, took a break, played for a while again last year, and now it's not compatible with my life to hardcore raid anymore because I have a more demanding job and I am a parent. But I worked my ass off for a lot of years to beat the hardest content. I just like flying. I want more zones like Storm Peaks and Icecrown, zones that have great stories while also being designed with the assumption of the players having flight. I am very sad and disappointed that Blizzard has moved away from that to countless no fly islands, and now culminating in an entire no fly expansion. Leveling was about the only thing in Cata I didn't hate. Now that I can't really raid anymore (yes, I can do LFR and flex, but I don't find those interesting past the first clear, I quickly get frustrated with people not grasping such basic things after my years as a hardcore raider), the world outside instances means even more to me than it used to - and the world without flying just doesn't have that magic for me and feels regressive and artificially restrictive.

  9. #17189
    No flight allows you to skip trivial content. Seriously how many times do you want to kill mobs that pose no threat challenge or reward ... how long will that be fun honestly?
    So you admit that you want flight just to skip content and pick up your reward?

    Why bother even playing WoW if that's what you want? I'd just pick up Skyrim and console command it if I were you since that's the kind of gameplay you seem to enjoy.

  10. #17190
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaagii View Post
    So you admit that you want flight just to skip content and pick up your reward?

    Why bother even playing WoW if that's what you want? I'd just pick up Skyrim and console command it if I were you since that's the kind of gameplay you seem to enjoy.
    Where did I say that?

    I said it "Flight allows you to skip trivial content. Seriously how many times do you want to kill mobs that pose no threat challenge or reward" .

    Now reading that again do you see the problem with your statement?

    Flight allows you to skip trivial content while on your way to relevant or at the very least interesting content.

    Even Skyrim has a convienent method of fast travel does it not? (just joking I played and the game plenty I know it does) Most games unless they are linear or plat formers have a fast convenient method of travel that allows you to by pass trivial content ... WoW doesn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ordinator View Post
    I barely even bring up WPvP. And you've exhausted that line the first 10 times you've used it. Got anything original?
    Ok fair enough you haven't brought it up for awhile. That being said I have been here long enough to know the massive hard on you have for it.

    As far as having anything original .. I don't know do you... yah didn't think so.

  11. #17191
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaagii View Post
    So you admit that you want flight just to skip content and pick up your reward?

    Why bother even playing WoW if that's what you want? I'd just pick up Skyrim and console command it if I were you since that's the kind of gameplay you seem to enjoy.
    He is not skipping to the reward.. he skipping useless mobs and going straight for the boss that drops what he wants. He still has to kill it but he gets to ignore mobs that aren't a threat. How does the compare to using a console command to instantly give him things...

  12. #17192
    Quote Originally Posted by Maneo View Post
    As far as having anything original .. I don't know do you... yah didn't think so.
    Good one.

  13. #17193
    How does the compare to using a console command to instantly give him things...
    Have you USED CC in Skyrim? It allows you to skip content and reward yourself with shiny Daedric weapons. It also allowed you to fly through the air and quickly reach your destination, thus skipping content and the sense of progression. Just like flight in WoW currently does. (Not that CC was designed for that or anything, mind you, but it still allowed you to)

    There's nothing wrong with admitting to wanting your "fix" (rewards) in WoW. Just admit you want to skip content and get shiny trinkets without working for it. Because honestly, that's all I am seeing you guys wanting flight for.
    Last edited by Gaagii; 2014-08-25 at 02:19 AM.

  14. #17194
    Quote Originally Posted by Ordinator View Post
    Just making up information. Nothing to see here folks. No wonder nobody takes you seriously.
    Really??? You know they take your comments no more serious than mine? You are barkloud that does not want flying.

  15. #17195
    No flying isn't the end of the world. The environment is supposed to be good so I don't mind it.

  16. #17196
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaagii View Post
    Have you USED CC in Skyrim? It allows you to skip content and reward yourself with shiny Daedric weapons. It also allowed you to fly through the air and quickly reach your destination, thus skipping content and the sense of progression. Just like flight in WoW currently does. (Not that CC was designed for that or anything, mind you, but it still allowed you to)

    There's nothing wrong with admitting to wanting your "fix" (rewards) in WoW. Just admit you want to skip content and get shiny trinkets without working for it. Because honestly, that's all I am seeing you guys wanting flight for.
    Nope. If there were some other equally convenient way to move around, skip content I did already, I would still want flying. I just love flying. I've wanted it since I first played WoW as I said before when I went on flight paths and wished I could control it because it was so damn cool. No flying in WoD means I am prevented from doing something I love in 100% of new areas... no thanks... all these excessive no fly zones in MoP were bad enough. A whole continent, no thanks. I want more zones like IC and SP not this crap...

  17. #17197
    Quote Originally Posted by rebecca191 View Post
    Nope. If there were some other equally convenient way to move around, skip content I did already, I would still want flying. I just love flying. I've wanted it since I first played WoW as I said before when I went on flight paths and wished I could control it because it was so damn cool. No flying in WoD means I am prevented from doing something I love in 100% of new areas... no thanks... all these excessive no fly zones in MoP were bad enough. A whole continent, no thanks. I want more zones like IC and SP not this crap...

    Have you ever played Diddy Kong Racing? That game was built with flight in mind and it's a lot of fun, very competitive. I'd recommend it for your flying needs.

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  19. #17199
    Quote Originally Posted by Barkloud View Post
    direction of sonic the hedgehog
    My point is that flight has never been a major feature of WoW, but just a convenient way to travel around. In other words, WoW isn't a game that focuses on flight mechanics. Diddy Kong Racing, however, IS a game that focused heavily on flight. Hence why I'd recommend you play that instead.

  20. #17200
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaagii View Post
    My point is that flight has never been a major feature of WoW, but just a convenient way to travel around. In other words, WoW isn't a game that focuses on flight mechanics. Diddy Kong Racing, however, IS a game that focused heavily on flight. Hence why I'd recommend you play that instead.
    Flight has been the main source of transportation in the game for the past 7 years. I would argue we spend more time traveling than questing. It is a HUGE feature. To say it is a major feature would be to understate its value. Without flying our transportation is being reduced by 66% forcing us to use flight paths which are uniform ally hated by everyone.

    I have made a couple of flight path threads. Almost no one stays in game during flight paths. Real immersive.

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