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    I'm not sure if this has come up before, what if Blizzard lowered the speed of flying to a sole 100% speed like a ground mount's speed. When flying is unlocked in 6.X.

    How would people feel about this? It is the same speed as a Ground Mount, but you can still fly.

    It technically wouldn't be faster, but will allow those stuck on time to have their flying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbs View Post
    I'm not sure if this has come up before, what if Blizzard lowered the speed of flying to a sole 100% speed like a ground mount's speed. When flying is unlocked in 6.X.

    How would people feel about this? It is the same speed as a Ground Mount, but you can still fly.

    It technically wouldn't be faster, but will allow those stuck on time to have their flying.
    Fuck! It'd be better than a blanket removal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbs View Post
    I'm not sure if this has come up before, what if Blizzard lowered the speed of flying to a sole 100% speed like a ground mount's speed. When flying is unlocked in 6.X.

    How would people feel about this? It is the same speed as a Ground Mount, but you can still fly.

    It technically wouldn't be faster, but will allow those stuck on time to have their flying.
    The worst of both worlds. The speed is not the problem, I'm all for 250% ground mounts. Avoiding terrain is the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zachary View Post
    The worst of both worlds. The speed is not the problem, I'm all for 250% ground mounts. Avoiding terrain is the problem.
    You can still entirely avoid terrain once you hit Max level. Queue craft....... never need to see the over world again if one so chooses!

    This change is some attempt to slow players down and on the flip side to try and force some game play style upon players. Its nothing more than that. Personally I won't give two shits for the most part. Only my professions will suffer, a little at least as I wont be as efficient gathering my materials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbs View Post
    I'm not sure if this has come up before, what if Blizzard lowered the speed of flying to a sole 100% speed like a ground mount's speed. When flying is unlocked in 6.X.

    How would people feel about this? It is the same speed as a Ground Mount, but you can still fly.

    It technically wouldn't be faster, but will allow those stuck on time to have their flying.
    The flying is great as it is. I want to spend my time PLAYING the game, not traveling through the game. When I played Skyrim, I just had to click on the fucking map. When I played GW, I just had to click on the fucking map. Those are not piece of shit games, both were praised to the fuck and back. Why should I have to crawl in WoW? Oh wait, because there's a monthly subscription and they can't keep up with the content as soon as the players consume it...

    Of course I agree to remove flying, fuck flying. But then add portals EVERYWHERE, FOR FREE... Then they can do the retarded jumping puzzles I don't give a fuck about, and the world PvP maniacs will have their sheep to slaughter...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbs View Post
    How would people feel about this? It is the same speed as a Ground Mount, but you can still fly.
    I'd prefer it to be slower than ground mount, since it grants the ability to ignore terrain and obstacles.

    Maybe 60%, like the slower one used to be, hehe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chipperbane View Post
    Max level flying brings nothing either, really. There's no good GAME reason for flying. Brushing personal opinions aside, flying in Draenor is unnecessary. It was designed without flying in mind.
    Wrong! The keyword here is "GAME". We play "games" for fun. For many of us flying is fun. Max level flying adds for fun to the "GAME" for many of us.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chipperbane View Post
    My reason for no flying is because it's more enjoyable to explore if getting there was hard. You'll note I included Neverest in that list.

    Also, calm down. No one's defecating on anyone. We just want the game to be a game again, not a flight simulator.
    If you enjoy exploring on the ground, go right ahead, others might enjoy the game a different way they you. Your method of game play is not the only way to enjoy the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chipperbane View Post
    Flight Paths =/= Flight.
    Similar, but not the same. Both let you fly over content you want to skip. Flight taxis are a force AFK where you can't interact with anything in the world. With a personal flying mount you can choose to swoop down and interact with anything of interest at any time. I prefer interaction with the world instead of staring a screen I can do nothing with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chipperbane View Post
    Who am I to say whether your way of playing is good or bad? I just am, yo. Hnnnng.
    Very narrow minded. Not everyone enjoys the same aspects of the game and that's fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chipperbane View Post
    Going AFK in midair, pointed in the direction you want to go with autorun on is just as much a problem as what you describe.
    I never, ever fly this way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chipperbane View Post
    I think the game might be better off without people who, when confronted with change, scream out "CHANGE IT BACK OR I QUIT". You're ransoming your sub, and that's childish. Grow up.
    Not sure you are aware of this or not, but this is a fan site for WoW. This forum is setup to discuss the game. The game would not be better off by getting rid of people that don't want to play the game your way. Grow up!

    Quote Originally Posted by Chipperbane View Post
    I think consuming content too fast is bad. This isn't an unpopular opinion.
    Blizzard has the difficult job of pacing content consumption. Adding AFK travel time is in my opinion a very poor way of doing this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chipperbane View Post
    It actually will increase World PvP, and will increase socializing. Instead of people divebombing named mobs, they need to fight to them. Instead of people divebombing lower levels and then flying away before help can arrive, they need to carefully select their targets.
    WRONG! Removing flying will not increase WPvP on my PvE server.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chipperbane View Post
    Keeping flying does not bring fun or entertainment to the game.
    This is an opinion, your personal one and I don't agree with you. Flying does bring fun and entertainment to the game to many of us. AGAIN, not everyone enjoys the same aspects of the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chipperbane View Post
    Flying is merely a way to get from Point A to Point B. I derive no joy from flying. Flying to me is merely a convenient way to avoid content to get to other content. It's lazy.
    It's fine that you "derive no joy from flying". But you don't speak for everyone and certainly not me. It is not lazy. I play the game for fun, not for boring and tedious. You do not speak for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nayaga View Post
    Similar, but not the same. Both let you fly over content you want to skip. Flight taxis are a force AFK where you can't interact with anything in the world. With a personal flying mount you can choose to swoop down and interact with anything of interest at any time. I prefer interaction with the world instead of staring a screen I can do nothing with.
    Flight paths still force you to go through the content after landing to spot X (flight master), instead of flying over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chipperbane View Post
    Max level flying brings nothing either, really. There's no good GAME reason for flying. Brushing personal opinions aside, flying in Draenor is unnecessary. It was designed without flying in mind.
    Designed without flying and yet at max level it brings a lot of convenience in travel and helps make already tedious tasks a lot more bearable.

    That alone is a lot. Not to mention just the fact that after 10 levels and seeing the same worthless mobs oave and over, flying is a God send in a theme park game to get you to where you want to go sooner. Not later. Lets get to the fun not hinder gamers ability to get there.

    My reason for no flying is because it's more enjoyable to explore if getting there was hard. You'll note I included Neverest in that list.
    Then do it. Don't remove flying because you can't be bothered to do what you find enjoyable. Best of both worlds is the way to proceed, not limit half the player base and push it all to one side.

    Also, calm down. No one's defecating on anyone. We just want the game to be a game again, not a flight simulator.
    No ones angry, except maybe you. Everyone wants to game to be fun to them. It's a shame you can't support your fun and also support others fun when they can be done separately,entirely independent of each other from botha degin aspect of the game as well as what gamers find fun.

    I also want the game to be a game. IT's been a game for 7+ years. Kinda sucks blizzard wants to turn it on it's ear just to slow content consumption.

    Correlation does not equal causation. Flying may or may not be the reason TBC/WotLK had population growth. Maybe it was because Illidan and Lich King were the enemies. Who knows.
    Maybe it was story and content design and flying. The entire package was good. After seeing beta I can't say the same for WoD but what we do know is flying didn't hurt those past expansions and clearly helped them. Cause and affect. Produce a good feature that makes your game stand out from all the rest. It tends to generate subs. Remove that feature after 7 years it stands to reason that removing gamers entertainment is a bad thing.

    Not a great reason to keep it, aside from "Zoom zoom, I wanna go fast" and "I can't be asked to go about it on the ground".
    Its a better reason to keep it than, "Lets see how much time we can waste at max level." and "I'd like to see those worthless mobs again and again."

    Nor are you in a competition. I shouldn't need to quote you twice, but here "If I wanted to climb on foot I would when I didn't need to be somewhat competitive."
    And you are ultimately right. Kinda makes sense to keep flying when no one is really in a competition and should be making their travel decisions on what they find fun. To bad gamers like you can't seem to do that as we would all be better off if you could.

    Flight Paths =/= Flight. And it's not that great. Not for nothing, but I guarantee you a goodly 50% or so of people clamoring for flight are the type of people who use flight to AFK in the air, or to sit about their farm of Shrine. You are a minority within a minority. If you use it to explore, if you use it to see hidden places, good on you. But if you use it to skip content, or to idle in midair, or to avoid ganks or to gank, than fie on you, sir. That's not good.
    Flight Paths =/= Flight = No shit! Thats why few care for them. There not even remotely equal and personal flight is much better. IT at least keep gamers in the game. If you want to run the risk of coming back dead thats on the gamer. Just like choosing to fly or stay on the ground should be a gamer choice at max level as it has been in every expansion this game has ever had

    If you're going to argue flying needs to go because you can skip content you got a lot more things to add to your list. It' s almost like your saying skipping content is fine no matter how you do it as long as you don't do it flying. Which is monumentally ignorant.

    Who am I to say whether your way of playing is good or bad? I just am, yo. Hnnnng.
    Give it a shot, take a stance. At least your not riding the fence I'll give you that. Beyond that, click the other button if you don't mind and leave flying at max level in game. Choices are always better in MMO's.

    Preordering is your own fault. The game is in beta, and as has been said constantly, beta is subject to change. You can't complain when something changes because it warns you upfront that it will probably do that.
    My ironman helm is also in beta but I still need your cash first. Things may or may not change, no one knows but cash first please. Your choice. Don't you love choices?

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    oing AFK in midair, pointed in the direction you want to go with autorun on is just as much a problem as what you describe.
    It's up to the gamer how he wants to die but at least he has the option to stay in game and fly himself or fly tp whatever he sees as interesting. Can't really do that with AFK-autopiolet flight paths.

    I think the game might be better off without people who, when confronted with change, scream out "CHANGE IT BACK OR I QUIT". You're ransoming your sub, and that's childish. Grow up.
    Maybe, it's clearly better off with the loss of more gamers. It's clearly better off with less options than more. WoD is clearly better off with so much design based on "same old, same old".

    Very dimwitted to think at this point in the game removing flying at max level vs keeping both options there is somehow better cause given the beta at max level. It really not.

    I think consuming content too fast is bad. This isn't an unpopular opinion.
    I disagree. It's ultimately up to the gamer. You want to make content last longer, design better content. Flying in and of itself isn't the problem there, it's blizzard making content that simply doesn't last. Flying has little or nothing to do with that other than getting gamers to where the fun is sooner. That is not a bad thing.

    It actually will increase World PvP
    It hasn't in beta and given the WPVP gives no rewards in a reward based game and blizzard clearly saying this is not done because of WPVP (because even they know this change wont make much a difference) You'll see no real increase to WPVP.

    and will increase socializing.
    Not likely, you will be ignored just as you are now. When there is no reason for anyoe to care wether your are there or not, no one will care if you are there or not. Socialization on open world content didn't increase in WOD beta beyond they normal general chat, "I can't find so and so." I can't recall anytime I say someone say, "I can't do this, come and help me."

    Instead of people divebombing named mobs, they need to fight to them.
    If you want to get credit you have to fight any mob. How you got there means little in the grand scheme of the game. Better to have games get there than to miss out cause they were on a slow ground mount.

    Instead of people divebombing lower levels and then flying away before help can arrive, they need to carefully select their targets.
    If you think no flying is going to somehow stop ganking you got another thing coming. If you think no flying is somehow going to magically get help there faster you got another thing coming. If your always ganking low levels, you are not carefully picking out targets.

    You want to stop diveboming of quests, design better quests. Stop having mobs stand out in the middle of no where waiting to be stealth killed or divebombed.

    It's called poor quest design and is not a problem with flying.

    Keeping flying does not bring fun or entertainment to the game.
    TBC says differently. We ran on the ground for so long flying was the most request feature ever beside maybe duel spec or the dance studio.

    Guess what we got first? Flying. It's just that fun and amazing. Go check out TBC blizzcon clip if you don't believe me.

    Flying is merely a way to get from Point A to Point B. I derive no joy from flying. Flying to me is merely a convenient way to avoid content to get to other content. It's lazy.
    Then I suggest you don't fly but I also suggest you don't ruin it for others simply because you can't be bothered to click the other button.

    Like I said, if your problem with flying is because you can skip things, you got a lot more things to start arguing for the removal of than just flying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbs View Post
    I'm not sure if this has come up before, what if Blizzard lowered the speed of flying to a sole 100% speed like a ground mount's speed. When flying is unlocked in 6.X.

    How would people feel about this? It is the same speed as a Ground Mount, but you can still fly.

    It technically wouldn't be faster, but will allow those stuck on time to have their flying.
    I think gamers would be OK with that. A tweaking of flying vs wholesale removal in the current content that they also ask you to pay more for....

    It's such bad design and development with just it's removal, it's a little hard to swallow. Especially given the reasons they posted for doing it. Some of the worst reasoning I've ever read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anzaman View Post
    Flight paths still force you to go through the content after landing to spot X (flight master), instead of flying over it.
    Much less "content" since you fly over most of what you want to skip. When I'm at max level in WoD and I want to go somewhere, I will use flight taxis to skip large amounts of "content". That said, the penalty of no flying at max level will push me into Garrison to use official Blizzard garrisons bots to play the game for me and queue for content. For me, no flying at max level is a poor way to gate content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zachary View Post
    The worst of both worlds. The speed is not the problem, I'm all for 250% ground mounts. Avoiding terrain is the problem.
    Agreed. This is where blizzard showed their true colors. If the removal of flying were really based on not skipping content, we would have 250% or higher ground mounts or 1000% flight points.

    We do not have that though. All we have is the removal of flying and nothing else. This is why I believe this is a gate. We have all read for months how much the expansion has been slashed.

    No flight slows down consumption of content. Such a shame. I remember when the game was designed to be played. Npw it is about gates gates and more gates.

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    I am sure they will add flying in after a while, regardless of what blizz says Now.

    We all KNOW what Blizz says Today means SHIT and cannot believe/trust in their words.
    When numbers decline in subs, and people are sick of being on ground they will add flying in. Money talks. As it is, people are already pised at an xpac thats more a content patch then an xpac.

    Blizzard is total fail these days, they have lost the plot and one eyed with inc $$$ and far too often make changes far to late were more subs have gone an dgame/population is hurt even further.
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    This is still upsetting people?

    Ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anzaman View Post
    I'd prefer it to be slower than ground mount, since it grants the ability to ignore terrain and obstacles.

    Maybe 60%, like the slower one used to be, hehe.
    Should be the rental flying mount speed from the quest you get in storm peak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barkloud View Post
    I am sure it will be similar to what is happening here.

    If only a small fragment of the playerbase that visits this particular forum has managed to post close to 18,000 times in this thread alone, what will happen when over 6 million discover flying is gone?

    All WOW related forums exploded for months, shit they are still exploding over flight. What exactly do you think is going to happen when the remaining 6,785,000 subscribers discover flying is deleted and all we have is snail speed mounts?
    Nothing. The only reason the forums are still QQ about it is because there are a very very small number of zealots that won't shut up. Even run up to the full 6.8 million it will be a very small group of people whining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nayaga View Post
    Wrong! The keyword here is "GAME". We play "games" for fun. For many of us flying is fun. Max level flying adds for fun to the "GAME" for many of us.

    If you enjoy exploring on the ground, go right ahead, others might enjoy the game a different way they you. Your method of game play is not the only way to enjoy the game.

    Similar, but not the same. Both let you fly over content you want to skip. Flight taxis are a force AFK where you can't interact with anything in the world. With a personal flying mount you can choose to swoop down and interact with anything of interest at any time. I prefer interaction with the world instead of staring a screen I can do nothing with.

    Very narrow minded. Not everyone enjoys the same aspects of the game and that's fine.

    I never, ever fly this way.

    Not sure you are aware of this or not, but this is a fan site for WoW. This forum is setup to discuss the game. The game would not be better off by getting rid of people that don't want to play the game your way. Grow up!

    Blizzard has the difficult job of pacing content consumption. Adding AFK travel time is in my opinion a very poor way of doing this.

    WRONG! Removing flying will not increase WPvP on my PvE server.

    This is an opinion, your personal one and I don't agree with you. Flying does bring fun and entertainment to the game to many of us. AGAIN, not everyone enjoys the same aspects of the game.

    It's fine that you "derive no joy from flying". But you don't speak for everyone and certainly not me. It is not lazy. I play the game for fun, not for boring and tedious. You do not speak for me.
    Flying makes the new world interaction mechanics trivial. The new mechanics are a proposed solution to daily quest abundance. Participation in the new mechanics offers raid tier perks, similar to daily quests of old. Picture Draenor as a continent-wide PVE Island, exception of Ashran.

    There's nothing more that needs to be said. Flying can/will be opened up when the raid tier becomes a legacy tier, assuming they plan to move the tier content to a new zone like Tanaan Jungle. They are keeping open the option of continuing to use Draenor as a PVE Island minus Ashran.

    That is the direction of the GAME. If that removes all enjoyment for you, you have the option to lobby for reverting to the pure PVE Island concept so you're able to fly in the continent. The best approach would be to cancel your subscription and list the reason you don't have fun in game. Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cabyio View Post
    Nothing. The only reason the forums are still QQ about it is because there are a very very small number of zealots that won't shut up. Even run up to the full 6.8 million it will be a very small group of people whining.
    What if only 1% of the player base really freaks out and takes to the forums for the first year of WoD.

    That is 68,000 people.

    Tell me again how mice and quiet it is going to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xpose View Post
    Should be the rental flying mount speed from the quest you get in storm peak.
    Sorry, been a while since I Quested there - how fast was it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cabyio View Post
    Nothing. The only reason the forums are still QQ about it is because there are a very very small number of zealots that won't shut up. Even run up to the full 6.8 million it will be a very small group of people whining.
    Ya' know, with all sincerity, if it weren't for the small number of zealots on either side, this thread would of died long ago.

    Also, if Bliz had come out and just said, outright, "No flying in WoD, that's it. Maybe flight in WoD in 7.0" this thread would of died long ago.

    Whether that would of lead to a 900 page "No Flying in WoD" thread though is anyone's guess.
    Like the cracker fed to the starving man, WoD was handed to the loyal player, starved of new content for 14 months in MoP.
    At first, it was the best thing he had ever tasted, this new meal, but as his stomach started to grumble again, he realised the cracker was indeed just a hollow snack. He soon turned back to the cracker giver, eyes wide, open palms extended, an enquiring look as they asked, "please sir, Can I have some more?".

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    Quote Originally Posted by CheeseSandwich View Post
    Ya' know, with all sincerity, if it weren't for the small number of zealots on either side, this thread would of died long ago.

    Also, if Bliz had come out and just said, outright, "No flying in WoD, that's it. Maybe flight in WoD in 7.0" this thread would of died long ago.

    Whether that would of lead to a 900 page "No Flying in WoD" thread though is anyone's guess.
    What exactly do you think is going to happen when 6.8 million people start dinging 100 and go looking for flying trainers like they have for the past 7 years?

    You think they are going to be okay with that decision?

    What do you think is going to happen as people start leveling their crafting and discovering how terrible gathering nodes is at 100% speed on the ground?

    What happens when the people who bought the CE of WoD discover they cannot fly the mount that came with the expansion?

    It is going to be a mess.

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