1. #981
    Quote Originally Posted by Seditian View Post
    Although I'm not a big fan of flying mounts, Blizzard would be stupid to remove them without much notice. I do think if they're able to create a continent that makes you feel you don't need a flying mount, it would be cool. I really liked exploring Timeless Isle, which would never be as dangerous/fun with flying mounts there.

    They should just continue making content aimed at ground mounts. After all, no-flying until cap works just fine. For all I care, they can make new questing areas similar to Isle of Thunder and the Timeless Isle. I just object against the main continent flying being arbitrarily restricted. I have no problems with no-flying until cap, even though I think there should be something like the WoTLK book that you could buy to teach your alts flying, but only after you leveled 2 or 3 chars to cap and have seen most of the content already.
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    Well it's good to see the keyboard activists in full effect. Doing the laziest, most asinine thing they could think of off the top of their heads and calling it justice while making no difference.
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    Blizzard effectively wants to have its cake and eat it too by pretending to have this groundbreaking war in a faction capital while at the same time being completely unwilling to portray logical consequences of such an event.

  2. #982
    I'd be fine with no flying, so long as Flight paths and zones accommodated this. Giant zones with 2 flight paths would kill it for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    They should just continue making content aimed at ground mounts. After all, no-flying until cap works just fine. For all I care, they can make new questing areas similar to Isle of Thunder and the Timeless Isle. I just object against the main continent flying being arbitrarily restricted. I have no problems with no-flying until cap, even though I think there should be something like the WoTLK book that you could buy to teach your alts flying, but only after you leveled 2 or 3 chars to cap and have seen most of the content already.
    Yeah, but the whole continent is Isle of thunder/ timeless, which is why there is no flying in 6.0.
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  4. #984
    Quote Originally Posted by roahn the warlock View Post
    Yeah, but the whole continent is Isle of thunder/ timeless, which is why there is no flying in 6.0.

    No, that's their excuse for it. If it was true, it would permanently remain no-flying.
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    Well it's good to see the keyboard activists in full effect. Doing the laziest, most asinine thing they could think of off the top of their heads and calling it justice while making no difference.
    Quote Originally Posted by C9H20
    Blizzard effectively wants to have its cake and eat it too by pretending to have this groundbreaking war in a faction capital while at the same time being completely unwilling to portray logical consequences of such an event.

  5. #985
    Quote Originally Posted by quras View Post


    Except flying at max level in current content which is after all, why he bought the game. So he could play and fly in current content and not feel slight in the extra money he spent supporting the game after he reached max level.

    but yea, lets screw over that guy and remove one of the reason he bought the mount to start with. Flying in content that is current, not old.
    He bought the mount(s) to fly in the current content at the time when he bought them, and thats where they will still work. He couldn't have bought them to fly in a content that has not even been released or most likely weren't even announced when he bought them. Nothing is being taken away, so there is no reason for a refund.

  6. #986
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    They should just continue making content aimed at ground mounts. After all, no-flying until cap works just fine. For all I care, they can make new questing areas similar to Isle of Thunder and the Timeless Isle. I just object against the main continent flying being arbitrarily restricted. I have no problems with no-flying until cap, even though I think there should be something like the WoTLK book that you could buy to teach your alts flying, but only after you leveled 2 or 3 chars to cap and have seen most of the content already.
    Honestly, if they implement it right, I don't see a problem with them testing out no-flying for a while. Not having flying didn't feel like a drag at all in Mists of Pandaria while leveling. That's while its flight paths are complete horse shit. If they finally stopped forcing scenic flight routes down our throat (or at least make them optional), travel time wouldn't be that much longer, it would also throw some gold out of the economy. If they also make ore/herb nodes spawn closer to eachother, like in Vanilla zones (where you often see 5+ nodes on a single minimap), it wouldn't make gathering a drag either, because everything would be more concentrated. Adding a flight path to every single town (like in MoP) and to raid instances would also help.

    They would also have to make the running animation of a lot of flying mounts a whole lot better, though.

    Long story short: Blizzard could pull it off, removing flight from the game, but it would require quite a bit of work. It seems they really want to do it, though, and if they do it right, it could be really awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    No, that's their excuse for it. If it was true, it would permanently remain no-flying.
    why, do you still go to isle of thunder? I know I don't you try and it is dead. in 6.1 or at most 6.2 the continent end game will be irrelevant.
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  8. #988
    Can somebody quote what he said exactly. Flying or no flying I could care less that's not why I play the game, but I'm wondering if what is being discussed is actually a possibility.
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  9. #989
    Quote Originally Posted by Geish View Post
    He bought the mount(s) to fly in the current content at the time when he bought them, and thats where they will still work. He couldn't have bought them to fly in a content that has not even been released or most likely weren't even announced when he bought them. Nothing is being taken away, so there is no reason for a refund.
    Whats being taken away is flying at max level in current content so yes, something is being removed at the expense of the paying gamer. Who BTW, paid a little extra beyond his sub to get an interesting flying mount that he can not use at max level in relevant content. Which, if you have been playing WOW for about 7 years, you have always been able to do.

    So it's not that hard of a stretch to think many have that in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quras View Post
    Whats being taken away is flying at max level in current content so yes, something is being removed at the expense of the paying gamer. Who BTW, paid a little extra beyond his sub to get an interesting flying mount that he can not use at max level in relevant content. Which, if you have been playing WOW for about 7 years, you have always been able to do.

    So it's not that hard of a stretch to think many have that in mind.
    Which should be proof that flying won't be taken away forever. but uhhh, I am gonna laugh at people with their bought mounts.

    As for them, you bought them for current content when it was current. It's no longer current, I guess it just sucks to be you.
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  11. #991
    Quote Originally Posted by roahn the warlock View Post
    why, do you still go to isle of thunder? I know I don't you try and it is dead. in 6.1 or at most 6.2 the continent end game will be irrelevant.

    People still do. People killing Nalak, people needing or wanting mounts and gear from the Shado-pan and Kirin Tor reputations, to answer your first question.


    Blizzard is making excuses. They should just admit they're caving to all the whine threads during MoP and try out if it works. Worse than the lack of flying until at least 6.1 is Blizzard wishy-washiness, as I've mentioned before.
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    Well it's good to see the keyboard activists in full effect. Doing the laziest, most asinine thing they could think of off the top of their heads and calling it justice while making no difference.
    Quote Originally Posted by C9H20
    Blizzard effectively wants to have its cake and eat it too by pretending to have this groundbreaking war in a faction capital while at the same time being completely unwilling to portray logical consequences of such an event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quras View Post
    Whats being taken away is flying at max level in current content so yes, something is being removed at the expense of the paying gamer. Who BTW, paid a little extra beyond his sub to get an interesting flying mount that he can not use at max level in relevant content. Which, if you have been playing WOW for about 7 years, you have always been able to do.

    So it's not that hard of a stretch to think many have that in mind.
    True, but in Vanilla and TBC flying was hard.

    5kg back in TBC wasn't easy to do, you had that slow ass 60% mount, that you used to reach high places and that was it.

    I honestly wish they went back to TBC style, 60% / 280% but make 280% like 50kg

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    I have purchased nearly every single mount and companion from the Blizzard Store, feel free to laugh at me if you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    People still do. People killing Nalak, people needing or wanting mounts and gear from the Shado-pan and Kirin Tor reputations, to answer your first question.


    Blizzard is making excuses. They should just admit they're caving to all the whine threads during MoP and try out if it works. Worse than the lack of flying until at least 6.1 is Blizzard wishy-washiness, as I've mentioned before.
    No, not really, they have said they didn't like flying as far back at Wrath. And oh Nalak, big deal, it's far less, just like timeless isle will be dead save a few bored people who want houlon's mount

    I think you need to go back and re-read all the shit that's gonna be in WoD, it's a 5.1 story, with thunder dalies, with timeless rares and funstuff.

    Mixed with random events, and random adventure quests that require you to go through a path to get a chest like a timeless chest. or scale a mountian, or go into a cave. Or a ravine.

    Add flying and these all become trivial.

    Picture 5.3 it was pretty much boring because you just flew from rare to rare. One issue I hope they address, is a rare should not be the end all be all, it should be just a frugal to do other things, so avoid people just bouncing from rare to rare
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  13. #993
    Quote Originally Posted by Jothium View Post
    And watch as all the people before Cata go like: hell yeah this is f*cking nice
    and all the people since Cata go like: omg Imma quit
    I'm curious as to what you base this on. I hate ground travel, I like flying mounts and I've played WoW since vanilla beta.

  14. #994
    Quote Originally Posted by roahn the warlock View Post

    No, not really, they have said they didn't like flying as far back at Wrath. And oh Nalak, big deal, it's far less, just like timeless isle will be dead save a few bored people who want houlon's mount

    Oh, really? They have said they didn't like flying as far back as at Wrath, and yet they've implemented it in WoTLK, Cataclysm, and Mists of Pandaria. Deal with it, Blizzard is wishy-washy as fuq. They change their design philosophy around every expansion by a whopping 180 degrees. Sometimes even patch by patch. (i.e. 4.0 to 4.1)


    This instability is most annoying of all. One expansion, they'll cheer on "the casual revolution", and then another, they'll state that the hardcore core of the game is most important, and that everything should be difficult to do.
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    Well it's good to see the keyboard activists in full effect. Doing the laziest, most asinine thing they could think of off the top of their heads and calling it justice while making no difference.
    Quote Originally Posted by C9H20
    Blizzard effectively wants to have its cake and eat it too by pretending to have this groundbreaking war in a faction capital while at the same time being completely unwilling to portray logical consequences of such an event.

  15. #995
    I cannot for the life of me understand why the people who like to explore want flying mounts gone.

    If you want to explore, then don't fucking fly. Its absurd that because you lack the self control to do what you want the rest of us have to suffer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Oh, really? They have said they didn't like flying as far back as at Wrath, and yet they've implemented it in WoTLK, Cataclysm, and Mists of Pandaria. Deal with it, Blizzard is wishy-washy as fuq. They change their design philosophy around every expansion by a whopping 180 degrees. Sometimes even patch by patch. (i.e. 4.0 to 4.1)


    This instability is most annoying of all. One expansion, they'll cheer on "the casual revolution", and then another, they'll state that the hardcore core of the game is most important, and that everything should be difficult to do.
    Part of what keeps WoW so interesting, you never know which way it is gonna go.

    It may also have a lot to do with the fact that they brought back all the Titan people to work on WoD who are all oldschool. And Greg quit.

    Ps. they have said they regret it, but feel they can't remove it since it's in... kind of like social security. this is an attempt to ween it a little.
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  17. #997
    Quote Originally Posted by roahn the warlock View Post
    Which should be proof that flying won't be taken away forever. but uhhh, I am gonna laugh at people with their bought mounts.

    As for them, you bought them for current content when it was current. It's no longer current, I guess it just sucks to be you.
    Or someone that paid extra to blizzard beyond their sub thinking I love that flying mount but alas, blizzard says I can't use it in current content for some random number of months and well past max level.

    If I was one of those people (and I ain't) I would never consider spending money in the cash shop again knowing at anytime blizzard might just limit what you spent money on.

    Quote Originally Posted by roahn the warlock View Post
    True, but in Vanilla and TBC flying was hard.

    5kg back in TBC wasn't easy to do, you had that slow ass 60% mount, that you used to reach high places and that was it.

    I honestly wish they went back to TBC style, 60% / 280% but make 280% like 50kg

    SNP......
    I wish blizzard had better thinking quest designs that could work with flying like we had in past expansions and not remove flying for a limited amount of time at max level just so players would see the bushes and trees they spawned a little longer than normal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarjack View Post
    I cannot for the life of me understand why the people who like to explore want flying mounts gone.

    If you want to explore, then don't fucking fly. Its absurd that because you lack the self control to do what you want the rest of us have to suffer.
    What about gathering professions, questing, dalies, rares, random events, real-time senarios, treasure chests. What about those?
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  19. #999
    Quote Originally Posted by roahn the warlock View Post
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    Part of what keeps WoW so interesting, you never know which way it is gonna go.

    It may also have a lot to do with the fact that they brought back all the Titan people to work on WoD who are all oldschool. And Greg quit.

    No, what you're talking about is development. Yes, WoW is a MMO, a living, breathing thing. It evolves. Wishy-washy change of design philosophies from catering solely to one group to another, as if everyone in charge at Blizzard has borderline personality disorder, is not evolution. So I wholly disagree.



    And Greg was the only one I've ever seen that confessed his disliking for flying mounts. So I'm not sure how Greg leaving meant they could go ahead and remove flying mounts, given that he would've probably welcomed the removal of flying mounts with open arms.
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    Well it's good to see the keyboard activists in full effect. Doing the laziest, most asinine thing they could think of off the top of their heads and calling it justice while making no difference.
    Quote Originally Posted by C9H20
    Blizzard effectively wants to have its cake and eat it too by pretending to have this groundbreaking war in a faction capital while at the same time being completely unwilling to portray logical consequences of such an event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quras View Post
    Whats being taken away is flying at max level in current content so yes, something is being removed at the expense of the paying gamer. Who BTW, paid a little extra beyond his sub to get an interesting flying mount that he can not use at max level in relevant content. Which, if you have been playing WOW for about 7 years, you have always been able to do.

    So it's not that hard of a stretch to think many have that in mind.
    But thats ridiculous. You have never flown in WoD, so it can't be taken away from you. I bought vanilla wow to play the current content, but then they released expac so I couldn't play the current content anymore, should I get my money back? No, because everything I paid is still there for me to play on, nothing was taken away. It's the exact same thing with mounts.

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