Most of those factions had a "Third faction" that was their primary enemy. They aren't these altruistic organizations that deeply care about the well being of the denizens of Azeroth.To claim so only shows your grasp on lore is lacking. Furthermore, there's a quest in Deepholm stating that the Earthen Ring at least, prefers to stay out of faction conflicts, Let me quote Maruut Stonebinder:All those factions I mentioned consist of Alliance and Horde which no longer wants to take part in politics and just want to help Azeroth from outside threats. Garrosh wants an Azeroth for the Horde leaving all the rest destroyed, doesn't care how he would do it and the other Horde leaders support his ideas. I don't know how simply to say it but you see those factions would want to continue working on restoring Azeroth and we now have a bit of a problem. You see they can't restore Azeroth if they are threatened into annihilation. I believe you now understand why they would help the Alliance. They wouldn't help the Alliance due to politics friend. They would help them because simply Garrosh would be a large threat to Azeroth and he would be against their Mission.Our mission would be compromised should racial tensions be put above our goal.
Why would the entirety of the Ebon Blade stand against the Horde? We've already seen Koltira come to Sylvanas, there is absolutely nothing to say that the Ebon Blade would not have members joining the Horde. Sorry but that's just flat out wrong, you're claiming to have knowledge of something where no official lore exists.So All the Death Knights against Garrosh meaning every knowledge of how to counter Sylvannas
His Crusade and his Ashbringer aren't that powerful, and you're overestimating them (Which you accused me of doing, I find that hilarious). The Ashbringer is a powerful weapon, sure, but it didn't shatter Frostmourne alone, nor did Tirion. His Crusade? Where was his Crusade when Sylvanas was plagueing Gilneas? Where was his Crusade when she was resurrecting the fallen? They're not a force of reckoning in this world anymore.combined with Tirion, his Ashbringer and his crusade
You're also making the claim that the multi-racial Crusade wouldn't see a small dip in membership due to faction ties, that's wrong.
Wrong again, I'm speaking of what happened following the Cataclysm (Go rewatch that Godawful cinematic, you've apparently forgotten it). The Lich King had been struck down long before that happened.The Dragonflights even in this condition managed to pose a serious threat to the Lich King.
Are you serious right now? They let the Focusing Iris be stolen by the "measly Horde". Dragons aren't these all-powerful beings, especially after their "powers" diminished following the Cataclysm. Protip: Gryphons even posed a threat to Dragons.A measly Horde would be no match as they would make quick work of the spawns of Galakras
That's not what is implied by Maruut Stonebinder's quote, there may be some, like Muln Earthfury who are concerned about what Garrosh is doing, but racial ties are deeper than "factional" ones for the most part.All of the Earthen Ring members would want to stop Garrosh from causing another Cataclysm with his misuse of the elements
Aside from the Vale and Theramore, what other land has been destroyed? Forests might be trimmed, some ground might be scarred, but again, not enough for the Tauren and Trolls to betray their races.All of the Cenarion Circle members along with the Demigods would eventually join the battle as Garrosh would destroy everything in his path to win the war
The Kirin Tor that couldn't even prevent the theft of the Divine Bell? The Kirin Tor that were easily countered by Death Knights in the Second War when they were powerful and unified?The Kirin Tor along with the Blue Dragonflight masters of magic and Jaina with the Power of the Thunder King and the Focusing Iris would render the Anima Golems and the magical defences of the Horde useless
Also, no that's not the way the Focusing Iris and the Anima works, sorry.
Care to give me a source for that number?You cant count the Sunreavers btw as those events wouldn't happen and the Sunreavers weren't even a 10% of the total Force of the Kirin Tor.
All I hear right now is "You can't count the force that would join your ranks because I say so lalalalalala"--You, 2014. The Sunreavers would join the Horde, having a unified Horde doesn't render the entirety of the Divine Bell arc obsolete.
You mean the Golden Lotus that couldn't stand face to face with the Mogu, most of whom are "removed" from this equation due to the Heart of Y'shaarj. The Shado-Pan who flat out admitted to Vol'jin and Tyrathan that without the Horde and Alliance they could not stand against the Zandalari and Thunder King? A battle which was won by the Sunreavers and the Kirin Tor.Finally the Golden Lotus and the Shando Pan would oppose Garrosh and I wouldn't underestimate them in your place.
No it's really not. Garrosh isn't actively trying to become the Lich King, nor is he hellbent on setting Nordrassil Ablaze, he's not even attempting to create another Cataclysm. There might be some shady areas of Garrosh, and there might be some outliers who join with the Alliance, but these factions by far would splinter as soon as the war escalated between a unified Horde v. a unified Alliance, and in the grand scheme of things wouldn't pose much of a threat.The General thing is that they wouldn't join the Alliance due to politics but because Garrosh would be a threat to them also.
If you're going to make points from now on, at least try to make them difficult to counter.
Then what the fuck am I doing fighting them at Bladefist Bay? Are you seriously trying to spout something this stupid? Please tell me I'm misunderstanding you here, I refuse to believe that anyone could even attempt to argue this.Proto Drakes were down by Cataclysm
So all of the Magnataur went extinct then, right? There's no more Magnataur, or means of acquiring them left in Azeroth, right? Sorry, that's not how it works.Magnataur were defeated in Wolfheart
I suggest reading Horde Quest text.The Demon Chain hasn't been used at all in the whole warcraft.
Narkrall revealed to me the secret of his influence over the drakes in this area. I thought the Demon Chain was a myth, but he's had it all along.--ZaelaDo you have it? Yes? The fate of the Dragonmaw depends on the Demon Chain!
Sorry but there are some implications in that quest text which go against what you're trying to claim.
And again this requires only the same counter as your magnataur argument. There are plenty more and there is a will to control them.The Kraken were destroyed in Tides of War
[-Garrosh (Tides of War, 313)."More ships. More weapons. More elementals and beasts and demons obeying our commands.
But the Goblins did find it in this universe and chose not to bring it with them due to what it would do to the world. Keep in mind this is after Gallywix was looking to keep artifacts as leverage for the Cartel's safety. With a united Horde, the Scroll would have been handed over to Garrosh instead of Ziya and Druz leaving it to rot in a Lorevault.The Scroll cannot be countered as the story was in an alternate universe and that doesn't mean the goblins have it in this universe
Which has failed the wielder in the past.The Ashbringer
If Malfurion is going to be counted for the Alliance. Thrall will join the Horde once more (The main reason he took arms against Garrosh in the end was the assassination attempt on Vol'jin, without that he would be forced to fight alongside the Horde against the Alliance).Malfurion Stormrage
Easily killed before. Easily killed again.The Demigods of the Night Elves with all their capabilities
We don't know the full power of the bombs on the Alliance airship, however, I would prefer you stop calling them "nukes" that's just ignorant, such technology doesn't exist in WoW.Alliance Airship Nukes
Which aren't the superpowered godly beings that you try to paint them as, sorry. Not to mention good old Wrathion would still be allied with the Horde in the scenario in which the other leaders just shut their mouths and followed Garrosh's orders.The Dragonflights
Which are roughly matched in effectiveness by the anima, only the anima can be in more than one place at a time.The Thunder King Powers
Which is only an amplifier, I would suggest you actually read.The Focusing Iris which can control magic in the right hands and the right place
Already countered that, so how about NO.The Good Elements of the Earthen Ring
Best case scenario (As in miracle tier) Shadowmourne is in their hands. The Knockoff version of Frostmourne is hardly a "superweapon" though.we don't know what the Ebon Blade have as Super Weapons.
I need proof of that. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.So the Demon Chain has never been used in the whole warcraft and barely has any power of the original Dragon Soul
The Ebon Blade would splinter the Argent Crusade would see the withdrawal of Horde aligned races, they really don't have any tricks either.the Ebon Blade and the Argent Crusade would make quick work out of the Plague and the Valkyr with their own tricks
As I've said before, you don't know how either of those work. The Powers of the Thunder king don't render Anima golems useless, and the Focusing Iris is simply an amplifier.The Focusing Iris with the Powers of the Thunder King and the Blues would make quick work out of the Anima golems and make the magic capabilities of Garrosh's spellcasters useless
The Earthen Ring would split. You don't know that they would "Take on the Dark Shamans", and with Thrall on the side of the Horde, their most powerful member is gone.The Earthen Ring would take on the Dark Shamans
The Dragonflights, again, are not in any way, shape, or form as powerful as you want them to be. And Gyrocopters and Gryphons can have fun with Wyverns, the Spawns of Galakras, Bats, Dragonhawks, and Goblin repurposed missiles (Jade Forest Horde Quest).Dragonflights along with Gyrocopters and Gryphon riders would make quick work of the spawns of Galakras.
Demigods aren't as powerful as you want them to be, nor is Malfurion, and the Alliance doesn't possess nuclear technology, nor have you neutralised anything. You have failed to tell me anything, instead you've simply typed a long list of incoherent nonsense that demonstrates not only that you don't understand this game's lore at all, but you will also either lie or stay willfully ignorant about information just to have an Alliance wankfest.So it seems that I still can use the Demigods, Malfurion and the Airship nukes while all your superweapons have been neutralised. I told you.
RPG numbers aren't canon, but I'll throw you a bone here. The whole Human population, how many of those are active members of the Alliance army? Not the entirety that's for sure, they could be drafted but martial prowess isn't part of Human culture nearly as much as it is for the Orcs. You can have fun with your ragtag Human militia, I'll enjoy the fact that every adult man and woman can be conscripted easily into the Horde's military.Human Population alone exceeds the whole Horde population.
The Iron Horde is not synonymous with the Horde, nor is a Horde vs. Alliance conflict the same as an Iron Horde vs. "Horde"+Alliance+AU Draenei+AU Stormreaver Clan conflict.As I said if you think a United Horde cannot be defeated by any means then don't be surprised when you see the United Iron Horde gets crushed by the weakened Azeroth.
Napoleon was an idiot who opened up a second front in a continental war. Hitler did the same thing. They also opened up that second front only to lose to the weather.One more thing. Something like this did happen many times in our Earth's history. Napoleon and Hitler had a United front of allies but they couldn't win against the whole World.
I would make a comment about you recieving your History lessons in Tel Aviv, but you should already see why that's a ridiculous comparison that really misrepresents history.
2/10 Would counter again.
Let me give you some parting advice, read the lore before you discuss it. Maybe Warcraft lore isn't for you, I would recommend something that's a little more basic (Which is funny because Warcraft isn't complex by any means) but I already see you enjoy the storytelling elements of MLP so you've really hit the bottom as far as storytelling goes.
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