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    Immigration is national suicide

    As an American, I understand very well that my nation was built on immigration. The point I have though is that when you have double-digit unemployment, adding more workers, especially those without skills, is insanity. White guilt has gone far enough. And that's basically the tool being used here to justify allowing endless waves of immigrants entry into basically any Western nation in Europe or the US. And if you choose to stand against such actions, you're obviously a racist.

    I just want to give you an example here. I'm a 3rd generation American, my entire family is of European descent. Do you think that I could go to Europe and make a living without either A: being incredibly rich or B: having a masters degree? Absolutely not. But both Europe and America allow any Middle Eastern man or woman access to the country, basically no questions asked, and this all okay? If you actually belong in these nations you have to jump through hoops, but if you're refugee of a war started by these countries, then just walk right in!

    You know what, when people in America can't find work, we have no business passing a damn dream act. Send them all back! What we need to do is deport all these illegal immigrants, place our military on the damn border (instead of protecting Afghanistan's border) and put our nation first. And the same should be said for the UK, France, Germany or any other Western nation. There is no American dream when Americans are sleeping on the damn street.

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    Careful, you're sounding too logical and intelligent. Be prepared to be verbally assaulted and know that if you attempt to defend yourself that you'll be infracted for trolling or flaming.

    That being said you're completely right, the nation is in shambles right now and until we can get back on our feet our borders should close.

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    Get over it dude. It isn't white guilt and it isn't the people comming here that deserve blame for unemployment. It is plane and simple business greed. Put your energy into blaming the problem. Companies ship jobs and manufactoring over seas. They lay off people because they are only going to get 2 billion profit instead of 2.2 billion. Rich assholes buy companies to fire everyone, soak up a years worth of profit, and dump the companies to the ditch. Don't fall for this level of bullshit bro.

    You are just mad. Rightfully so. But put it in the direction of the greedy assholes that run the United States money system and not at some poor guy that doesn't want to live in the 3rd world or in the middle of a war zone.
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    Yes, by all means, close your borders down, fortify them with all the troops you can muster, then rot and stew in your own miasma. We'll come and resettle when you're done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yggdrasil View Post
    Get over it dude. It isn't white guilt and it isn't the people comming here that deserve blame for unemployment. It is plan and simple business greed. Put your energy into blaming the problem. Companies ship jobs and manufactoring over seas. They lay off people because they are only going to get 2 billion profit instead of 2.2 billion. Don't fall for this level of bullshit bro.

    You are just mad. Rightfully so. But put it in the direction of the greedy assholes that run the United States money system and not at some poor guy that doesn't want to live in the 3rd world or in the middle of a war zone.
    No, you're absolutely right. And the ONLY way to fix unemployment is to make it illegal to bypass minimum wage by shipping our jobs to Asia. Yet Government in all Western nations just let big business do whatever they want. Oh right, because pockets are then lined. Honestly, anyone that believes Government has your best interests at heart, are fucking delusional.

    Regardless, that still doesn't mean we open the borders and let anyone walk straight in. Double-digit unemployment and the most important thing on the agenda is making sure Pedro and his nine brother are granted amnesty? Seriously?

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    How dare people seek refuge from war, the audacity!
    To declare that a personal, inner experience gives certainty about the workings of the universe is to assign far too much value to one’s subjective sense of conviction.
    I’m not that arrogant.

    The brain, marvelous instrument though it is, isn’t infallible. It can misfire, seize or hallucinate, and it can do so in a way that’s utterly indistinguishable from reality to the person experiencing it.

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    People try so hard to be politically correct, that it is impossible to talk about any actual issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simsumre View Post
    And the same should be said for the UK, France, Germany or any other Western nation.
    Don't speak of what Europe should do if you have no idea how it is over here.
    I'm a European federalist. Now you know.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dezerte View Post
    How dare people seek refuge from war, the audacity!
    I'm a Conservative American. I'm not able to peacefully protest my Government without being pepper sprayed. Liberal Democrats control my country and I'm being politically persecuted. Where's my asylum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simsumre View Post
    I'm a Conservative American. I'm not able to peacefully protest my Government without being pepper sprayed. Liberal Democrats control my country and I'm being politically persecuted. Where's my asylum?
    Today we have created something new; Liberal Guilt. That shit is sig material, good job.
    Quote Originally Posted by simsumre View Post
    I'm a Conservative American. I'm not able to peacefully protest my Government without being pepper sprayed. Liberal Democrats control my country and I'm being politically persecuted. Where's my asylum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trollskaldinn View Post
    Don't speak of what Europe should do if you have no idea how it is over here.
    My grandparents came from Europe. I'm more entitled (yes, entitled) to speak on European issues than the Arabs you let walk across your border and grant citizenship to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jvz24 View Post
    People try so hard to be politically correct, that it is impossible to talk about any actual issues.
    I agree.

    Politically correct is little more than damning others for their own ideals that speak against what the general media pushes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meteoria View Post
    Today we have created something new; Liberal Guilt. That shit is sig material, good job.
    History repeats itself, mock what you don't understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simsumre View Post
    My grandparents came from Europe. I'm more entitled (yes, entitled) to speak on European issues than the Arabs you let walk across your border and grant citizenship to.
    No you aren't, the European issues of 3 generations ago are not the issues of now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simsumre View Post
    History repeats itself, mock what you don't understand.
    Or what is really stupid, what you said fit the latter. Boohoo, you don't like your government, neither do I, I don't play the victim card because of it though.
    Quote Originally Posted by simsumre View Post
    I'm a Conservative American. I'm not able to peacefully protest my Government without being pepper sprayed. Liberal Democrats control my country and I'm being politically persecuted. Where's my asylum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simsumre View Post
    I'm a Conservative American. I'm not able to peacefully protest my Government without being pepper sprayed. Liberal Democrats control my country and I'm being politically persecuted. Where's my asylum?
    Somewhere in the victim-complex.
    To declare that a personal, inner experience gives certainty about the workings of the universe is to assign far too much value to one’s subjective sense of conviction.
    I’m not that arrogant.

    The brain, marvelous instrument though it is, isn’t infallible. It can misfire, seize or hallucinate, and it can do so in a way that’s utterly indistinguishable from reality to the person experiencing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meteoria View Post
    Or what is really stupid, what you said fit the latter. Boohoo, you don't like your government, neither do I, I don't play the victim card because of it though.
    Where am I playing the victim card? I asked a legitimate question. You're being a child mocking those you don't agree with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simsumre View Post
    I'm a Conservative American. I'm not able to peacefully protest my Government without being pepper sprayed. Liberal Democrats control my country and I'm being politically persecuted. Where's my asylum?
    How is this in any way comparative to seeking asylum from war? I've been in the middle of a war, it's not pretty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simsumre View Post
    As an American, I understand very well that my nation was built on immigration. The point I have though is that when you have double-digit unemployment, adding more workers, especially those without skills, is insanity. White guilt has gone far enough. And that's basically the tool being used here to justify allowing endless waves of immigrants entry into basically any Western nation in Europe or the US. And if you choose to stand against such actions, you're obviously a racist.

    I just want to give you an example here. I'm a 3rd generation American, my entire family is of European descent. Do you think that I could go to Europe and make a living without either A: being incredibly rich or B: having a masters degree? Absolutely not. But both Europe and America allow any Middle Eastern man or woman access to the country, basically no questions asked, and this all okay? If you actually belong in these nations you have to jump through hoops, but if you're refugee of a war started by these countries, then just walk right in!

    You know what, when people in America can't find work, we have no business passing a damn dream act. Send them all back! What we need to do is deport all these illegal immigrants, place our military on the damn border (instead of protecting Afghanistan's border) and put our nation first. And the same should be said for the UK, France, Germany or any other Western nation. There is no American dream when Americans are sleeping on the damn street.
    i love where you compare coming from a first world country with coming from a warzone as equal and therefor people should be treated the same way... brilliant

    and yeah not the problem, you already agreed with the problem, still kept spouting this nonsense
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Inside View Post
    How is this in any way comparative to seeking asylum from war? I've been in the middle of a war, it's not pretty.
    Based on Fascist history, I'd rather leave before I become a German in Nazi Germany.

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