If you think the right is harming nobody and just "expressing their views" then you'd be sadly mistaken. Also, just because YOU don't personally go out and bully gays, but throw your vote at people you do, that's just telling someone else to do the bullying for you.
If anything, the most appropriate analogy is that the bully believes that it is his God-given right (quite literally believes this) to bully, and is now screaming that he is being told to stop beating up other kids.
How do they not compare? Religion was used against those too. Interrational marriage... they found a way, also slavery was ok. Women being subject to men, etc.
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The Socratic Method is alive and well.
How terrible you choose to provide a service and you might accidentally wish a good day or a happy day to someone WHOSE GAY!!
This is actaully a good thing for gay people. Stay with me on this...
Michelle Bachmann is so hopelessly clueless, so idiotic, so completely out of touch with the political theatre (or reality for that matter) that anything she says discredits not only herself but her party in general. Spouting blatently untrue statements at random as if they were facts actually proves the opposite to a wider audience. An backwards idiot yells "Gays bullied the American People" so now the rest of us are aware that "Gay people have been victims of abusive behavior by many Americans for some time now and it has got to come to an end."
In short Michelle Bachmann is Jesse to the Republican Party's Team Rocket. Its a good thing she's on their side ensuring a swift defeat after a impromtu ill-conceived agenda that only serves to make her organization out to be well known incompetent asshats.
Less comical note: she is an attention whore who will say anything retarded if it guarantees her screen time. My advice if people want an attractive candidate at don't vote for the leathery bigoted bimbo approaching aging Vegas stripper with the sandbag boobs age. She ain't that pretty to excuse being this stupid.
Listen, the Bible is very clear. Leviticus 20:13 “If a man sells cupcakes to a homo, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense."
*Mimes jerk off motion*
A nice list of logical fallacies. In picture form!
Otherwise, homophobia is in no way different from racism or misogyny. It's part of your beliefs? Both racism and misogyny have as much or greater support in scripture as homophobia does. The Klu Klux Clan is overtly Christian; that's why they use a burning cross as a symbol. There are myriad passages in the Bible stating that women are inferior to men, in many ways. Nor is this unique to Christianity; these can be found in other faiths as well, and I'm only mentioning Christian belief here specifically because it's the grounds typically used in the USA to defend this kind of belief.
And it is never valid. It wasn't for hate based on race. It wasn't for hate based on gender. It won't for hate based on sexual orientation. The church adapts. Plenty of denominations are moving forward, and are welcoming to people of all races, genders, and orientations, equally. I know at least one local church with an openly gay pastor, another friend of the family is a woman, and a minister. The issue isn't that Christian beliefs are being oppressed; they aren't. Hateful beliefs are being exposed as what they are. And hate isn't a necessary or integral component to the Christian message.
These things are completely comparable, since they're almost completely identical. There is no reason to oppose marriage equality. None but hate, at least.
there comes a time when you have to eventually ask yourself, 'are they the problem, or is the rest of the world the problem?'
no i don't advocate genocide of the jews, i think most of them are decent people. but i find it utterly fascinating that this has occurred over the last 1800 years.
Expulsions of Jews from Host Nations: 1). A.D. 250, Carthage; 2). 415, Alexandria; 3). 554, Diocese of Clement (France); 4). 561, Diocese of Uzzes (France); 5). 612, Visigoth Spain; 6). 642, Visigoth Empire; 7). 855, Italy; 8). 876, Sens; 9). 1012, Mayence; 10). 1181, France; 11). 1290, England; 12). 1306, France; 13). 1348, Switzerland; 14). 1349, Hielbronn (Germany); 15). 1349, Hungary; 16). 1388, Strasbourg; 17). 1394, Germany; 18). 1394, France; 19). 1422, Austria; 20). 1424, Fribourg & Zurich; 21). 1426, Cologne; 22). 1432, Savory; 23). 1438, Mainz; 24). 1439, Augsburg; 25). 1446, Bavaria; 26). 1453, Franconis; 27). 1453, Breslau; 28). 1454, Wurzburg; 29). 1485, Vincenza (Italy); 30). 1492, Spain; 31). 1495, Lithuania; 32). 1497, Portugal; 33). 1499, Germany; 34). 1514, Strasbourg; 35). 1519, Regensburg; 36). 1540, Naples; 37). 1542, Bohemia; 38). 1550, Genoa; 39). 1551, Bavaria; 40). 1555, Pesaro; 41). 1559, Austria; 42). 1561, Prague; 43). 1567, Wurzburg, Genoese Republic; 44). 1569, Papal States; 45). 1571, Brandenburg; 46). 1582, Netherlands; 47). 1593, Brandenburg, Austria; 48). 1597, Cremona, Pavia & Lodi; 49). 1614, Frankfort; 50). 1615, Worms; 51). 1619, Kiev; 52). 1649, Ukraine; 53). 1654, LittleRussia; 54). 1656, Lithuania; 55). 1669, Oran (North Africa); 56). 1670, Vienna; 57). 1712, Sandomir; 58). 1727, Russia; 59). 1738, Wurtemburg; 60). 1740, LittleRussia; 61). 1744, Bohemia; 62). 1744, Livonia; 63). 1745, Moravia; 64). 1753, Kovad (Lithuania); 65). 1761, Bordeaux; 66). 1772, Jews deported to the Pale of Settlement (Russia); 67). 1775, Warsaw; 68). 1789, Alace; 69). 1804, Villages in Russia; 70). 1808, Villages & Countrysides (Russia); 71). 1815, Lubeck & Bremen; 72). 1815, Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria; 73). 1820, Bremes; 74). 1843, Russian Border Austria & Prussia; 75). 1862, Area in the U.S. under Grant's Jurisdiction; 76). 1866, Galatz, Romania; 77). 1919, Bavaria (foreign born Jews); 78). 1938-45, Nazi Controlled Areas; 79). 1948, Arab Countries. (International Jewish Encyclopedia).
That would have been the best protest ever: if the law had passed, Arizona state law would permit business to refuse services to gays/lesbians, but federal law would prohibit those same business from refusing to hire them because they're gay/lesbian. Anytime they're refused service, they just start submitting applications and getting hired (or giving themselves perfect grounds for a lawsuit).
Once again with people just playing semantics and trying to change words around to make people sound bad. Also, conjecture, lots of conjecture.
It's not a lie, it's just that the LGBT supporting community don't know what equal rights mean, and they instead refer to the gaining of new rights as the gaining of equal rights. Heterosexuals have never been able to marry those of the same sex as well. Ya, people rage and don't find that answer acceptable, but it's a fact. I am not lying, you are all just the ones manipulating words and using them incorrectly to make your statements sound more impacting.
I am trying to go about this 'topic' in a way other than resorting to the whole 'definition of morality' thing again, which seems to always span multiple pages and commonly gets threads locked.
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“Humanism means that the man is the measure of all things...But it is not only that man must start from himself in the area of knowledge and learning, but any value system must come arbitrarily from man himself by arbitrary choice.” - Francis A. Schaeffer
If I had to take a guess.... they are considered foreign, they have a separate religion, they cant even honor your countries gods, in all honesty they were basically like modern immigrants in an American/European perspective. Also I would say the European countries (later on) were using a lot of history and even that old dark age propaganda of Jews poisoning wells.
Also a ton of the earlier countries were heavily christian and likely threw out any other non Christians.
Also WAAAYYY to easy of a target, they are sorta foreign, have a different heritage, language, culture... easy target. ALso they are always considered powerful and affluent while.... not even close to being so in reality until recently in the U.S especially.
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