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    Quote Originally Posted by nocturnus View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I agree with most of your ideas. I'm merely saying you can't force people to adjust their notion of morality or principles because you disagree with them.

    Some cultures regard theft as a legitimate occupation. Others find it an immoral activity. Morality is mostly determined by your conscience. My conscience wouldn't allow me to buy sex for coin. It's morally wrong, to me.
    I'm not forcing anyone to adjust their principles. I'm just saying they shouldn't hide their principles as 'morality.'

    As for your example: Can you name me ONE culture that regards theft as a legitimate occupation? There's a lot of sub-cultures where it is regarded as a necessary evil to stay afloat, but I don't think there's even ONE culture that regards it as 'legitimate' or 'moral.'

    Buying sex is not morally wrong to you. It's against your principles. There is a difference.

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    Neither i mean alot of guys take girls out for a nice all expense paid dinner and buy drinks for a booty call and one night stand all the time. Is that degrading? this just cuts out all the BS and gets right down to it no time wasted :P.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nixx View Post
    I don't remember the name, but there are cultures that do regard theft as a legitimate practice so long as it is practiced against members of other villages.
    I think that would fall under 'raiding,' and is typical of tribal societies. In such societies, other villages are not considered 'of the tribe,' and therefore are not considered to be beholden to the same rights as tribes members.

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    Neither is degrading, as long as both are willing.

    Why would either be degrading? It's just another service to pay for.

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    This is just sad, I am reading people compare construction work and hard labour with someone spreading their legs. Just because both are a service does NOT make them equal

    I don't have sources but I read some interviews of xyz prostitutes and apart from the group that were forced into it, the rest just say "easy money" with a splash of "I enjoy it"/ny**hos. It is only degrading if you consider it to be, don't think anyone gives/or should give a shit about what others think, but that DOES NOT mean it is a respectable profession or ill be inviting one over to applaud their hard work.

    I hardly doubt anyone here would be willing to marry a prostitute or let their children marry one >.> (then again the world is weird so exceptions for sure are there), quite sure it tells enough about how the general world views it. Though again opinions so ....

    Buying one, again is a very dicy topic, from what people are saying in this thread the general view is that degrading implies you were not able to get a normal gf or pick up one at the bar after buying her a few drinks or just don't look that good to get a girl and had to buy one instead to get some ... urrr not really sure how that works, that is entirely a separate thing imo, picking up someone at the bar via a few drinks or charisma whatever does sound better though, but I can certainly sympathize with people who consider it a hassle lol, NO ONE starts as a pro.

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    As long as it is consensual both ways, neither. It's when sex trafficing and coersion/slavery/force etc become factors that issues arrise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stir View Post
    I'm not forcing anyone to adjust their principles. I'm just saying they shouldn't hide their principles as 'morality.'

    As for your example: Can you name me ONE culture that regards theft as a legitimate occupation? There's a lot of sub-cultures where it is regarded as a necessary evil to stay afloat, but I don't think there's even ONE culture that regards it as 'legitimate' or 'moral.'

    Buying sex is not morally wrong to you. It's against your principles. There is a difference.
    Morals and principles are directly correlated. Morals are personal behaviour restrictions which allow me to follow a set of principles.

    Paying for sexual services is morally wrong to me.

    Anyway, we might as well end the morality debate here. We won't reach consensus on that matter.

    Certain gipsy/romani cultures (or co-cultures) regard thievery and begging as a legitimate 'line of work'. Boys are taught how to be burglars, girls how to pick pockets, be 'bed warmers' and beg. Depending on their competence, they are sold to other families. There was an article in the Corriere a few years back, that explained the hierarchy of these communities. Daughters that are exceptional beggars are sold for no less than €10.000. If they happen to be proficient at picking pockets and make good sex partners, amounts mount up to €20.000 per child.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stir View Post
    I think that would fall under 'raiding,'
    Which is followed by? Plundering, looting, pillaging, in a word: stealing.
    Last edited by nocturnus; 2014-03-14 at 04:43 PM.

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    Interesting that porn stars aren't being arrested for taking money for sex... oh right, because they pay taxes.

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