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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarch the Conqueror View Post
    Conclusion of this thread whenever you see a Blue post you should just translate it to this:

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    Blizzard have been found out lieing about almost everything continuously over the years.

    They say "A" one moment and a few months later they'll try to claim they meant "Z". (Such as the spring release date for WoD...)
    Will with all the solid evidence you have in this post I am convinced!
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    Things change. What might not be considered appropriate at one time could end up being a standard later in an ever changing game like WoW. They have an excellent way of collecting data about the player base and making adjustments based on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roahn the warlock View Post
    Oooooor it's what put it on the path to destruction in the first place?
    You seem to have forgotten that WoW started bleeding subs back in WotLK when the whole "casual" thing started. Ironic dont you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by edmorte View Post
    It's beyond me why is so difficult to forget wow, it's always the bashing in a product that surpassed its prime a long ago, it's just getting comfortable to go F2P.
    WoW is so far from going free to play it is silly to even mention it. Their subscriber base is still counted in the millions, closer to 10 million than 1 million and actually saw a small upswing recently. Free to play usually happens when a game has dropped to the low hundreds of thousands.

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    Everyone take a deep breath and knock it off with the defenders/haters stuff. It's off-topic to start with and I might just start infracting you for derailing the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lakers01 View Post
    Will with all the solid evidence you have in this post I am convinced!
    I'm not here to rescue people or convince them. Anyone who has kept their eyes on Blizzard over the past year would already know what I'm talking about. Even the moderators of this board often question Blizzard's approach to how they relay information and then either change their opinion or do not deliver on it. The most recent example of it is the WoD approximate release date, but such has happened at least a several dozen times already over the past decade.
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    Last year someone said it would hurt the gaming if I could skip the levels..
    Can you please explain to me how it hurts the game when in the last week I have played more than in the two months before?
    All of that is made possible by my instant-boost, which allowed me to start a new character on a new realm where my friends are.

    PS. He doesn't "explain how it ruins the game"; he explains why he thinks it would ruin the game.
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    The difference between Blizzards 90 boost and a typical power-leveling service is manifold, but the major points are simple:

    If you want full professions, it's up to you to level them, or to level the character to 60 first. Most secondary professions not included with the 60.
    When WoD hits, it will be up to you to level to 100.
    At no point is the character out of your direct control.
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    Think about it this way: The game is nearly 10 years old and as of WoD will have 100 levels to climb through to be able to play at max level. It has gotten to a point where many new players just give up on the game before they even get to current content that they paid for. This costs the developers by making it such a daunting task for new and returning players to even just get into playing the current game.

    If the game has built itself up to a point where it pushes new players away from from trying it out, then there is a problem.

    This is why the level 90 boost exists and is included with the expansion purchase. It is, from the developers perspective, necessary for the game to thrive in the years to come. The boosts don't get rid of the leveling experience, they just make it much less daunting for new and returning players to join and stay subscribed to the game, and I get that my argument would bear little weight if WoW revolved around leveling, but even the devs will tell you that the game is mostly intended to be played at max level.

    Without the boost included with WoD, the game will become less and less feasible to join over time. This is why it was added. The additionally purchasable boosts might be a source of extra profit, but they're also optional. A blue post from a year ago shouldn't matter in this situation- Blizzard is trying to ensure that the game will thrive for future expansions, and if it's possible to gain a little extra money from doing so, then so be it. It doesn't matter to me if someone chooses to buy a boost for their alt, but it does matter to me when friends can't join or return to the game because of its daunting size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knightmare View Post
    Think about it this way: The game is nearly 10 years old and as of WoD will have 100 levels to climb through to be able to play at max level. It has gotten to a point where many new players just give up on the game before they even get to current content that they paid for. This costs the developers by making it such a daunting task for new and returning players to even just get into playing the current game.

    If the game has built itself up to a point where it pushes new players away from from trying it out, then there is a problem.

    This is why the level 90 boost exists and is included with the expansion purchase. It is, from the developers perspective, necessary for the game to thrive in the years to come. The boosts don't get rid of the leveling experience, they just make it much less daunting for new and returning players to join and stay subscribed to the game, and I get that my argument would bear little weight if WoW revolved around leveling, but even the devs will tell you that the game is mostly intended to be played at max level.

    Without the boost included with WoD, the game will become less and less feasible to join over time. This is why it was added. The additionally purchasable boosts might be a source of extra profit, but they're also optional. A blue post from a year ago shouldn't matter in this situation- Blizzard is trying to ensure that the game will thrive for future expansions, and if it's possible to gain a little extra money from doing so, then so be it. It doesn't matter to me if someone chooses to buy a boost for their alt, but it does matter to me when friends can't join or return to the game because of its daunting size.


    ...but when I think about it - since the expansion isn't out yet, let alone a release date - and as it's going to be half a year until it comes out, this idea has absolutely no merit being released at this point.
    Fixed that for you.

    I was all on board with this 90 boost at the release of the expansion... but the expansion has NOT been released yet, nor is there ANY sign of it appearing until 6+ months from now MINIMUM.

    All you bought with your 50 bucks is a level 90 boost for one character and some chickens for the next half-a-year. It's just a good clever promo to push subs up (notice it's now just 2 weeks until the end of the fiscal quarter...) and to guarantee a purchased copy of the game half a year away from its release in anticipation of dropping subs out of sheer boredom.

    EDIT: oh, and BTW, your digital purchase today will count towards their total first-weekend sales in the Fall for WoD, even if you get bored and go play Wildstar or something else and come back later...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarch the Conqueror View Post
    Anyone who has kept their eyes on Blizzard over the past year would already know what I'm talking about. Even the moderators of this board often question Blizzard's approach to how they relay information and then either change their opinion or do not deliver on it. The most recent example of it is the WoD approximate release date, but such has happened at least a several dozen times already over the past decade.
    It's happening a lot right now. Some of it is related to corporate messaging and a lack of co-ordination on it at all but I could make a nice long off-topic post about the many things that have popped up since Blizzcon that taken together indicate that something is awry at Blizzard, especially with their lead MMO and this expansion in particular.

    That said, I don't actually have any problems with Blizzard changing their mind on this one to a stance that's in agreement with a large percentage of their players: a stance that today is best stated as "The game begins at 90." Not everyone is going to agree with that statement but unarguably a different sort of game starts at endgame and if that's where the money is, Blizzard is correct in a business sense to put most of their efforts there. Including providing ways for people to get on the same page. Whether or not that's some deep betrayal of principles or them just waking up to a reality they wished to deny, so be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    It's happening a lot right now. Some of it is related to corporate messaging and a lack of co-ordination on it at all but I could make a nice long off-topic post about the many things that have popped up since Blizzcon that taken together indicate that something is awry at Blizzard, especially with their lead MMO and this expansion in particular.
    Could you make this post at some point? My curiousity has been poked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randec View Post
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/8568378868#18

    The above is a link to a Blue Post from a Blizzard rep. explaining how skipping content in this fashion ruins the game.



    Emphasis mine.
    Bolded the only thing that matters, you mention skipping. The blizzard post talks about powerlvling which is someone else playing or doing it for you, totally different things. They even mention "there are many in-game and promotion related options available to help you level", at the time that was RaF and such, now its the 90 boost that was just added, get over it. Grasping at Straws.

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    This is what happens when greed consumes a person/company. Blizzard doesn't care about the integrity of WoW anymore. It's all about the money now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worgoblin View Post
    This is what happens when greed consumes a person/company. Blizzard doesn't care about the integrity of WoW anymore. It's all about the money now.
    It's always been about the money, any illusion of Blizzard wanting smaller profits for some happier people is an illusion you tricked yourself into believing - providing that the people are happy enough to remain subbed. Which they both were and are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    Fixed that for you.

    I was all on board with this 90 boost at the release of the expansion... but the expansion has NOT been released yet, nor is there ANY sign of it appearing until 6+ months from now MINIMUM.

    All you bought with your 50 bucks is a level 90 boost for one character and some chickens for the next half-a-year. It's just a good clever promo to push subs up (notice it's now just 2 weeks until the end of the fiscal quarter...) and to guarantee a purchased copy of the game half a year away from its release in anticipation of dropping subs out of sheer boredom.

    EDIT: oh, and BTW, your digital purchase today will count towards their total first-weekend sales in the Fall for WoD, even if you get bored and go play Wildstar or something else and come back later...
    Just because WoD isn't released doesn't mean that my point isn't valid. I don't care if you can boost as soon as you pre-purchase the expansion, you still bought the expansion and will immediately have access to it as soon as it is released, just like all past expansions with digital pre-purchases.

    My point is that WoD WILL be released and the level cap WILL rise by ten levels. And the expansion after that? Probably ten more levels. Anyone joining or resubscribing now can boost if they want and play MoP as their heart desires until WoD is released (or just unsub and wait, it doesn't matter). If they choose to join or boost after WoD is released, nothing changes aside from getting a starting experience.

    ...but I digress, the point I was trying to make is that the game would definitely struggle to gain new subscribers if they hadn't decided to add the boost in the first place. I mentioned absolutely nothing of the release date or pre-purchase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randec View Post
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/8568378868#18

    The above is a link to a Blue Post from a Blizzard rep. explaining how skipping content in this fashion ruins the game.



    Emphasis mine.
    Hmm, if so much could change in just a year - I wonder if they'll start selling raid gear. Wait, not really wondering, I am just waiting for them to come up with a reason to spin on why selling gear would be good for the playerbase.

    They gave out a "free" 90 for the expansion, and were worried that some players would exploit it and spend too much money(lol) on it, so they wanted to help the minorities out by offering 90s for everyone. Pretty convenient on how that worked out for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ytlayol View Post
    They gave out a "free" 90 for the expansion, and were worried that some players would exploit it and spend too much money(lol) on it, so they wanted to help the minorities out by offering 90s for everyone. Pretty convenient on how that worked out for them.
    Except they could have just made it so you can't transfer the boosted toons. The only thing wrong with that suggestion is it doesn't make them boatloads of money.

    Also, "free" =/= $10.

    Quote Originally Posted by lakers01 View Post
    Will with all the solid evidence you have in this post I am convinced!
    Uh, I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who posted solid evidence in this topic. If you'd like, you can go back and find a statement from Blizzard from over a year ago that says power-leveling is no big deal and doesn't hurt the game. Meanwhile, I've posted lots of evidence to the contrary.

    We all know that was their official stance before they abandoned their integrity in favor of a cash grab. If you've played the game for long enough, read enough of the official press releases and interviews, you know prior to a year ago or so they were vehemently against power leveling and account purchases, and that they felt it negatively affected game-play. Whether you want to admit it or not is another matter entirely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dzudzadzo View Post
    You seem to have forgotten that WoW started bleeding subs back in WotLK when the whole "casual" thing started. Ironic dont you think?
    Wrath saw the sub peak; it fell in Cata due to the 10/25 difficulty merge making the casual 10 guilds hit brick walls early and hard; while also having dungeons tuned for organized groups ... required cc and interrupts, the problem came with random matchmaking and the fact you could very well not have the cc required for that dungeon, nor reliable short term interrupts; add in healer revamps where fresh 85s had no mana to do much else but spam their weak heal ... it was a clusterfuck that chased quite a few people away.

    (btw, why not may 'mythic' dungeons for those wanting a challenging run, can give bonus valor/justice/whatever currency is left, and doesn't end up being a timed run)


    I don't want the 90 boost, but IF I buy WoD, I'll use it on a class I can't stand to level. I find it silly for the most part, as well as their 180 on the idea of it. I don't care if people do it, except for those who can't be arsed to at least learn and practice the spec a bit if they are going to tank/heal in grouped content.

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    This should be posted on the official forums, lets see what blizz has to say for themselves.

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