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  1. #261
    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Because Blizzard would want you to pay to receive the cure, then pay them a sum every month to continue receiving the cure. Then pay extra every couple of years to get an upgrade to the cure. While also paying extra if you wanted the cure to work when you moved house.
    And people would defend that by saying "Well it makes your life easier, but you don't have to use it!". Some people hate on everything Blizzard does, and some people defend them on everything.

    Either way, this is a pretty funny complete 180 from Blizzard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nonon View Post
    Some people hate on everything Blizzard does, and some people defend them on everything..
    So true. Blizzard gets criticized harshly for every move they make and so legitimate complaints like get lost in a sea of QQ and disregarded.

    And on the other end of the spectrum, there are many loyal fanboys willing to defend any decision they make regardless of reason.
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    I have, unfortunately, interacted with Randec on these forums before. I know what to expect from him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randec View Post
    If you would go back to 2005 and tell everyone one day Blizzard will sell toons at cap that you could take to a island where epics just fall out of chests and you quest for them, people would call you a troll.
    If you told me that in 10 years the game would still be running with over 7 million customers, I would indeed laugh and call you a troll
    Quote Originally Posted by Randec View Post
    Loyal fans of Blizzard have this idealized concept of the company in their heads. Like Blizzard is only a couple dudes in a cool office writing games and making all the decisions, like they are the same guys who designed all the content we love and make the financial, legal, and business decisions for the company, and that we need to be grateful to them and never question their actions.
    Nobody said you cannot question them.
    You can question them all you want, I simply disagree with you.
    Quote Originally Posted by paralleluniverse View Post
    Blizzard must now legalize botting or else be massive hypocrites.
    It's not the same.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tolkien View Post
    I never got why people try to defend Blizzard's recent cash-grabbing direction even when such blatantly obvious contradictions are presented. It's like witnessing indocrination. I love their games, but that doesn't mean they don't screw up every now and then.
    Because they do a lot of things wrong.
    They have a lot of things that are just 'cash-grabbers'.
    But this is not one of them.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Try to boil everything down to a negative catch phrase all you want. We're still going to spend countless hours making Warlords of Draenor the most epic expansion possible.

  4. #264
    According to many people in this thread - it is okay to be devoid of integrity. Being a flaky asshole is acceptable.

  5. #265
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    People keep using the whole "but it's 100 levels, and that much could turn new players off from trying the game."

    Leveling from 1-60 back in Vanilla took twice as long as leveling 1-90 today, yet new players still tried the game. Even 1-70 during TBC took longer, yet new players continued to flood in. It will be no different for 1-100. Or 1-110, and so on. If people want to try this game, they will.

    The amount of levels added over the years has had very little impact on the amount of time required to hit a new level cap when an expansion launches. If the leveling rate had remained consistent since WoW's first expansion, then we'd have a problem. But it has not.

    Blizzard has done everything to help speed-up the leveling process; from boosting XP gains, nerfing the amount of XP required to hit max level, adding heirlooms, implementing Recruit-A-Friend and completely streamlining the entire leveling process.

    The whole "leveling takes too long" excuse just doesn't work anymore and it hasn't for a very long time. A free level 90 with the expansion would have been a great gesture of appreciation from Blizzard and a way to say "thanks for supporting us all these years, this one's on us!".

    But, to turn it into a service that people can pay for as often as they want was completely unnecessary and I fear for what it will do to the game in the long-run.
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  6. #266
    Quote Originally Posted by Randec View Post
    We could potentially have a bunch of people who've never played games in general buying insta 90's. WoW could be one of their first games. You don't even have to know WASD and how to move around and here's a character at level cap.

    If you would go back to 2005 and tell everyone one day Blizzard will sell toons at cap that you could take to a island where epics just fall out of chests and you quest for them, people would call you a troll.
    You WANTED to learn. Look at today. People need to go 1-90 for the whole leveling experience (at least they did) and there's a glut of terrible players. In this instance, there are two kinds of players. Those who want to learn and those who don't. Those who want to learn to play optimally will do so whether they are boosted or not. Leveling doesn't suddenly make you a better player as demonstrated by the glut of terrible level 90's. It's will power, the want to learn.

    If ANYTHING, I'd feel like the leveling process makes people more lazy. They get their first few skills, use those, then as they get new skills they ignore them and just use those. If you've deigned at all to step into LFR there are players who do less DPS than my auto attack damage. I look at their damage break down and it's one spell. Leveling taught them nothing. Players presented with all their skills will be forced to look up which skills to use... or if they are lazy they will pick a random one and use only that one.

    Lazy players are lazy, and the leveling experience will not change that.
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  7. #267
    I'm saving this thread for everytime somebody says "Blizz has said they'd NEVER sell Weapons or Equipment!" - and then I'd just copy/paste it here.

    As others have said, what Blizz says can change at the drop of a hat - particularly if they have shareholders barking at them.
    "Tell them only that the Lich King is dead... and that World of Warcraft... died with him..."

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    That's the ONLY reason you would post 9600 posts over 3 years: a mission of hate.

  8. #268
    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    I'm saving this thread for everytime somebody says "Blizz has said they'd NEVER sell Weapons or Equipment!" - and then I'd just copy/paste it here.
    Transmog hats. You're way behind on that one.

  9. #269
    Quote Originally Posted by arcaneshot View Post
    Transmog hats. You're way behind on that one.
    Actual gear, as in current tier raiding gear or PvP gear.
    Quote Originally Posted by Eroginous View Post
    Unfortunately for you, dictionaries are not authorities on the definitions of words.
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  10. #270
    Quote Originally Posted by OneSent View Post
    A free level 90 with the expansion would have been a great gesture of appreciation from Blizzard and a way to say "thanks for supporting us all these years, this one's on us!".

    But, to turn it into a service that people can pay for as often as they want was completely unnecessary and I fear for what it will do to the game in the long-run.
    The whole reason they added it to the store is because, by giving you the free one with the expansion, they already gave you a way to buy more. All you had to do was buy another copy of the game, and then transfer your "free" 90 off to your main account when you were done. It cost a bit more ($85, assuming MoP will eventually be part of the battlechest), but you also get 30 days of recruit-a-friend accelerated leveling out of the deal (or 90 days and a mount if you feel like paying for 2 months of gametime on your new account).

    The service was added to just be a less-hassle way of doing the same thing.


    As for Vanilla comparison - the game was new, the design was radically different, and the market was different. There was no "outdated" content back then, and the end game was much less of a focus. These days, the end game IS the game, and each patch is more than just a new raid zone that opened up for no reason that you can go look at if you feel like it - they have new content that progresses the storyline, so there's a sense that the world has a running storyline, with the most recent chapter being the most active and most important.

    A boost-to-60 would not have made sense in TBC. Boost-to-90 DOES make sense in WoD.
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  11. #271
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkArchon View Post
    lol We got another Blizzard basher do we? haha. The game has aged my friend, what made sense then doesn't make sense now. Get with the times.
    That blue post was from a year ago. The game hasn't changed much in 12months. Pay attention next time so you don't look as dumb.

  12. #272
    Quote Originally Posted by ACES View Post
    100 is the new level cap that will matter. All level 90 content is old now so even in the current state of things buying a 90 doesn't matter.
    Well, it matters to those of us forced to share a world with the idiots playing these characters. Try running SOO LFR - thanks to Blizz's low standards, many of these selfish players are already queuing as tanks and heals when they don't have the proper gear or skills to do so. My first and last LFR in months was yesterday; both tanks and all but one healer were clearly new to their class - it was the worst I've ever seen an LFR and explains how my DPS had an insta-queue. We barely managed Immerseus, and despite fully 3/4 of the raid swapping by the 2nd pull for the second fight, the raid was still filled with people who didn't know what they were doing (more so than I've ever seen by far), and I was forced to leave. I commented on the bad experience, and the rest of my guildies were shocked I'd even attempt an LFR with all the fresh 90s trashing everything.

    Just prior to the WoD pre-sale, I signed up for 6 month renewals on both my accounts, but between hearing WoD is as much as 9 months away and all the novice players selfishly queuing for tank/heals with zero skills, I now deeply regret it. Blizzard would never refund my renewal, but I'm thinking about calling Visa and having them get my money back.

    Blizzard is going to make people do Proving Grounds Silver to play heroic dungeons or run LFR in WoD when they've had at least ten levels to play, but thought nothing of dumping shiny new, completely untrained/untested level 90s on us? It's total BS.

  13. #273
    guess its good they are not allowing power leveling so someone else plays my toon to max..... instant 90 =! power leveling. Nor is raiding current tier being handed to you as you need some gear for TI or older raids. And again no one else plays your toon.....

  14. #274
    Quote Originally Posted by Forsworn Knight View Post
    According to many people in this thread - it is okay to be devoid of integrity. Being a flaky asshole is acceptable.
    Changing one's mind or stance, be it an individual or a corporation, is not a negative trait. It's this mindset of yours that's what causing this country to stagnate.
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  15. #275
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    What the blue said sounds like something he came up with on the spot as a reason against letting someone else use your account(paying someone else to level for you) as it probably causes account stealing. Also I highly doubt one guy represents the whole company.

  16. #276
    Quote Originally Posted by NuLogic View Post
    What the blue said sounds like something he came up with on the spot as a reason against letting someone else use your account(paying someone else to level for you) as it probably causes account stealing. Also I highly doubt one guy represents the whole company.
    It combats account stealing, as well as any legal issues and alleviates the amount of crap their tech/support teams need to do to recover it. People can bitch and moan that this is a pre-cursor to selling endgame raid gear, but this game's servers will all shut down before that happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NuLogic View Post
    What the blue said sounds like something he came up with on the spot as a reason against letting someone else use your account(paying someone else to level for you) as it probably causes account stealing. Also I highly doubt one guy represents the whole company.
    There's also a few other links in here, more quotes from Blizzard that basically say what he says over and over.

    Also, I think you're misunderstanding his quote. He's not talking about other people accessing your account ruining the game environment and the integrity of the game. Also, people can and do represent a whole company. They're called representatives.

    guess its good they are not allowing power leveling so someone else plays my toon to max..... instant 90 =! power leveling. Nor is raiding current tier being handed to you as you need some gear for TI or older raids. And again no one else plays your toon.....
    That has little to do with anything. The results are identical.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shamanberry View Post
    The whole reason they added it to the store is because, by giving you the free one with the expansion, they already gave you a way to buy more. All you had to do was buy another copy of the game, and then transfer your "free" 90 off to your main account when you were done. It cost a bit more ($85, assuming MoP will eventually be part of the battlechest), but you also get 30 days of recruit-a-friend accelerated leveling out of the deal (or 90 days and a mount if you feel like paying for 2 months of gametime on your new account).

    The service was added to just be a less-hassle way of doing the same thing.
    I'm sorry, but that is such a blatant excuse for this maneuver. They could have simply made it so you're not allowed to transfer the boosted 'toon. The "hey we're giving you a free ($10) boost with the expansion!" is just a pretense for charging for paid character boost. It's so shady how they sneak stuff like this in.
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    I have, unfortunately, interacted with Randec on these forums before. I know what to expect from him.

  18. #278
    I'm fascinated by how butthurt and angry people can be over video games. Ooh, the evil corporation, so contradictulous, so powersly and money-covetatious, my oh my, it hurts in the headz! It's very serioustic, must be especially angersome. Muchly raged.
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  19. #279
    I find it funny how one random player on a forum says the extra $10 cost of the expansion is actually paying for the 90 boost, and all of a sudden every single person starts parroting that the free 90 boost isn't free at all but the extra $10 this expansion costs, on authority of that one random forum poster.
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    Hahaha, and that was only a year ago.

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