Turkey promises to blockade Bosphorus to all Russian ships if Ukraine violence occurs

[Charge me Doctor]

If you think that russians, i mean small russians, who work every day and look like exchange rate growing, like food, cars, oil growing day by day wants this..you all mistaken. For me i would like to see united world finally to move into the future what we all deserve..to hell or to the universe..i dont know. But if small people like us will argue between each other and hate each other..then the evil forces and money will win.

That's the spirit! That's what grandpa Lenin was fighting for! Unification of everyone, removal of borders and nationality differences, everyone will work for success of one big society we live in.

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Pretty sure no one here hates Russia, just Putin.

More than a half of all Russians support Putin, people who hate Putin, hate his supporters, thus, people who actively yell "Putler" and other insults towards Russian president, directly insult Russian people who voted for him and trusted him to make decisions for who country.

[Hooked]

That's the spirit! That's what grandpa Lenin was fighting for! Unification of everyone, removal of borders and nationality differences, everyone will work for success of one big society we live in.

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More than a half of all Russians support Putin, people who hate Putin, hate his supporters, thus, people who actively yell "Putler" and other insults towards Russian president, directly insult Russian people who voted for him and trusted him to make decisions for who country.

sounds awesome, but why does everyone have to join?

[madokbro]

The source of the link appears to be an unnamed diplomat that "overheard" a conversation by the way. Wouldn't call it reliable, and there is simply nothing in Turkish news or global networks.

[Nasok1986]

sounds awesome, but why does everyone have to join?

Somebody need to start..first step is the hardest one. But don't listen to this guy, he is brainwashed as well. Lenin was a bad guy. Just because they killed kids of russian last emperor makes all the USSR evil empire. Just one this fact.

[Kalis]

I'm talking about the attitude of civilians, not of governments. Most Middle Eastern governments are dictatorships anyways. There are lots of Muslims who are really proud of Turkey for being the 1 non-screwed up Muslim country. Plus the Ottoman effect.

So not Muslim countries, just some Muslims.

I think being in Cairo may have distorted your view of how many Muslims see the Ottoman Empire legacy.

[Charge me Doctor]

sounds awesome, but why does everyone have to join?

Because it won't work if not everyone will join, and people are greedy selfish bastards, so, Socialism will remain a great idea without real chance to be implemented. Some tenets of Socialism is not that bad and/or hard to implement

[TheGravemind]

So not Muslim countries, just some Muslims.

I think being in Cairo may have distorted your view of how many Muslims see the Ottoman Empire legacy.

Not really, even beyond Cairo, there are always Muslims praising Turkey/the Ottoman empire during things like friday sermons. Arab nationalism is dead in 2014, people like the Turks again. It was only the 20th century where Turkish influence was despised.

[madokbro]

So not Muslim countries, just some Muslims.

I think being in Cairo may have distorted your view of how many Muslims see the Ottoman Empire legacy.

Also, Lawrence would like to have a word.

[TheGravemind]

Yes but what did he do? (Personally hate him myself, but thats because he is ruining our economy, not some personal things)? Do you hate US politicians who made Kosovo country alive? It was wrong few years ago, it is wrong now..but nobody told anything to US few years ago..when someone else doing such things then he automatically is the devil? I need explanation why Crimea can't be separate country? I am russian, i know personally many people from there, my best friend is native from there and all his family is there..they don't want to be in Ukraine which currently appeared, they did not choose the government which were placed under barricades in Kiev..and they are not talking this under AK-47 and T-90 as everyone in the world seems to think

The U.S. saved the Balkans from further genocide, so, why would I hate them for doing that? I thought it was a brilliant move and it will be heralded as being on the correct side of history.

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So not Muslim countries, just some Muslims.

I think being in Cairo may have distorted your view of how many Muslims see the Ottoman Empire legacy.

Here's a short example of the type of stuff I hear in mosques (anti-nationalist, pro-Turkey):

[Stelio Kontos]

Here's a short example of the type of stuff I hear in mosques (anti-nationalist, pro-Turkey):

And shit like that video praising the brutal Ottomans are why me, as a Greek, and lots of other former Turkish slave populations in the Balkans, will generally side with Russia over Turkey on just about any issue.

Fuck neo-Ottomanism. It's no better than pan-Turkic Turanism.

Besides, trade could always be brought in through other ports in the region, in Greece for example, and go overland to ports in Bulgaria to go to Russia, and the Turkish navy can't do shit about it.

[Charge me Doctor]

Somebody need to start..first step is the hardest one. But don't listen to this guy, he is brainwashed as well. Lenin was a bad guy. Just because they killed kids of russian last emperor makes all the USSR evil empire. Just one this fact.

You first started talking in USSR time Socialism propaganda, "workers unite", "united world", "future we all deserve", "... or money will win". Lenin wasn't that bad, not worse than many politicians of past/modern times. Are you talking about family of Romanov? Yeah, that's sad, but do you remember that they were imperialists? I thought no one likes imperialists now, and when they were terminated, all of the sudden, they became almost saints.

[Kalis]

Not really, even beyond Cairo, there are always Muslims praising Turkey/the Ottoman empire during things like friday sermons. Arab nationalism is dead in 2014, people like the Turks again. It was only the 20th century where Turkish influence was despised.

There are people in Britain and the US that praise Hitler, but that doesn't mean the majority do, or even that a significant proportion do.

Lots of Muslims hate Turkey for religious, political and/or historical reasons. I think you might be indulging in some wishful thinking with regard to their popularity in the general populace of Muslim countries.

[TheGravemind]

And shit like that video praising the brutal Ottomans are why me, as a Greek, and lots of other former Turkish slave populations in the Balkans, will generally side with Russia over Turkey on just about any issue.

Fuck neo-Ottomanism. It's no better than pan-Turkic Turanism.

Besides, trade could always be brought in through other ports in the region, in Greece for example, and go overland to ports in Bulgaria to go to Russia, and the Turkish navy can't do shit about it.

Of course the Ottomans did some terrible things (which empire hasn't?), but there's nothing wrong with neo-Ottomanism. The only reason why it won't happen is because a new middle eastern power bloc would shift the balance of power too dramatically.

[Stelio Kontos]

There are people in Britain and the US that praise Hitler, but that doesn't mean the majority do, or even that a significant proportion do.

Lots of Muslims hate Turkey for religious, political and/or historical reasons. I think you might be indulging in some wishful thinking with regard to their popularity in the general populace of Muslim countries.

Gravemind doesn't really know a lot about the regions he makes posts about. A lot of Arabs have animosity towards Turks, for multiple reasons, like you said.

He's basically Nakura Chambers Lite.

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Of course the Ottomans did some terrible things (which empire hasn't?), but there's nothing wrong with neo-Ottomanism. The only reason why it won't happen is because a new middle eastern power bloc would shift the balance of power too dramatically.

There's something very wrong with it for all the non-Turkish nations surrounding Turkey.

500 years of slavery to Ottomans was enough, thanks, no need for a second helping of that shitpie.

[TheGravemind]

There are people in Britain and the US that praise Hitler, but that doesn't mean the majority do, or even that a significant proportion do.

Lots of Muslims hate Turkey for religious, political and/or historical reasons. I think you might be indulging in some wishful thinking with regard to their popularity in the general populace of Muslim countries.

Godwin'd. nice.

Lots of Muslims hate Turkey for religious, political and/or historical reasons. I think you might be indulging in some wishful thinking with regard to their popularity in the general populace of Muslim countries

Even in a place like Bosnia, a former Ottoman fiefdom, or even Turkmenistan, mostly the same thing, Turkey is becoming increasingly popular. The only places where there were significant problems with Turkey were places where either Arab nationalists or Ba'athists (who were basically just a different flavor of Arab nationalist) took control.

I think I know what I'm talking about when I say that Turkey is VERY popular in 2014 in the Muslim world.

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Gravemind doesn't really know a lot about the regions he makes posts about. A lot of Arabs have animosity towards Turks, for multiple reasons, like you said.

He's basically Nakura Chambers Lite.

yeah, i guess some random Greek dude knows more about Egypt than the guy in Cairo

[Shelly]

And shit like that video praising the brutal Ottomans are why me, as a Greek, and lots of other former Turkish slave populations in the Balkans, will generally side with Russia over Turkey on just about any issue.

Fuck neo-Ottomanism. It's no better than pan-Turkic Turanism.

Besides, trade could always be brought in through other ports in the region, in Greece for example, and go overland to ports in Bulgaria to go to Russia, and the Turkish navy can't do shit about it.

You're missing the fact that Russia is constantly in search of warm water ports, which is one of the reasons to try and reannex Crimea.

Where it gets scary is that the conquering of other countries in the search for more ports was one of the causes of WW2. So in the light of that historic precedent you can see how many folks would be worried.

[Kalis]

yeah, i guess some random Greek dude knows more about Egypt than the guy in Cairo

You said in a post that you deleted you weren't actually in Cairo, Egypt and it was in reference to a game. Hmm...

[TheGravemind]

You said in a post that you deleted you weren't actually in Cairo, Egypt and it was in reference to a game. Hmm...

you sly fox


http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Cairo_Station


But, still, my point stands.

[Stelio Kontos]

yeah, i guess some random Greek dude knows more about Egypt than the guy in Cairo

Some random American dude who CLAIMS to have gone to Egypt once knows more about the Balkans and Turkish history.

[zorkuus]

That's the spirit! That's what grandpa Lenin was fighting for! Unification of everyone, removal of borders and nationality differences, everyone will work for success of one big society we live in.

Unification under one nationality to put aside national differences. Something sounds fishy.

More than a half of all Russians support Putin, people who hate Putin, hate his supporters

Well NOW I hate you for suggesting such logic.