I for one hate afker's and auto-attackers in LFR. I still do mostly LFR for the valor and easier chances at whatever i need for the current legendary stage on a alt. Even if its LFR and its super easy you should at least attempt to help and treat it like its a actual raid. I also use it more right now cuz my guild is stagnant, I won't leave them though cuz I enjoy the people in it. Rather then wait 4ever in flex, I queue LFR. You actually learn a lot in LFR if you pay attention and learn the proper mechanics. Its made it easier the few times I've done 10/25m norm. I only need a little explanation on the differences and I'm good to go.
The people freaking out about this must be in some other LFR.
Now, I am in a fair number of questionably effective flex pugs, but LFR has gone pretty smoothly since "Boost Day."
The future of LFR is tourist mode and it will probably give items barely better than heroic dungeons for some reason.
The present state of LFR is a horrible mess that makes it pretty damn hard to finish your cloaks. Tues/Wed used to be a good day to run it. Now all the new 90's try to get carried on those days and the weekends seem better. With the influx of the new 90's it's pushed me into flex on alts just to get anything done. But that isn't a bad thing. With 6-8 more months of mists those new 90s have lots of time to get geared...
I hope they never sell max level characters again while the content is still relevant. I don't care if they sell them during a pre-patch for the next xpac but this whole ordeal has been a huge mess.
If you ever wonder how dumb people really are then consider this: even in the golden age of smart heals dumb people still find ways to die.
I'm not a big fan of LFR but probably for different reasons than most. I realized this while I watched some Hunter in Flex decked out in pvp and pve gear, no reforging, no gems, no enchants ... and the Leader LET him stay. I think the biggest problem with LFR is people's apathy towards people abusing our efforts. Most people are in a rush to get into LFR, get it done and over with and get the frack out ... but what if you spent those extra minutes after every boss to save wipes on future bosses to;
a. Kick low DPS -- learn your class or go away. If people are in full timeless but no reforging, no gems, no enchants -- thats why they're doing low DPS and KICK them! Don't let them make excuses.
b. Kick people who aren't helping out ... 2k heals from a healer -- Click his name, right-click, Vote to Kick.
As for Flex and pugging, Stop allowing these Bad players to infest Your fun. See a Hunter with Warforged gear from Ordos but no gems or enchants on it -- KICK them and replace them. Stop allowing these people the ability to ruin LFR or Flex for everyone else because we're being too apathetic.
easy game pre-heroic raiding creates easy players
Why are Dungeons and Scenarios mash-fests that take less time than the actual queue or wait list? What a waste of content design...
Actually, a lot of the issues are caused by blizzard creating the discrepancy in dps numbers between first and last tier.
When you first hit max level in an expansion, your dps numbers are low, sometimes even lower than the end of the previous tier as you go from high stat purples into low stat greens. Then the expansion begins, and the numbers rise... and rise...
You begin at 20k, then it's quickly 25k, then 30k, 40k, 60k, 100k... pretty soon you're sitting on 500k dps. And then you go into LFR.
And all of a sudden, someone is doing 40k and you're annoyed, because when you began this tier with an ilevel 40-50 points higher than they are currently, you did twice their dps.
Part of the power creep issue is blizzard making numbers jump so much... when there's really no need for it. People would still feel superior doing 40k if they began doing 20k because it's still more. And more is all people care about.
So while they add an item squish, perhaps they should also consider improving how damage scales in an expansion, so the issue of 20k to 500k doesn't happen as usual. Then you'd find LFR a more enjoyable place!
The bigger your numbers get, the more they have to jump to keep that going. Increasing power by, say, 50% means that if you were doing 20k before, you only need to go up by 10k to 30k the next tier. However, if you were doing 100k, you have to go up by 50k to 150k. Then the next tier you go up by 75k to 225k, and so on. Of course, to make it worse, we essentially jump up 4 tiers per actual tier these days due to different raid difficulties - but it seems they may be tweaking that with LFR, so we'll see how that plays out too.
But the point: the item squish IS doing something about it. Without it, the problem would have just gotten worse next expansion.
The stat gain is currently tied to the ilvl of the item by a logarithmic relationship, which resutls in ever increasing differential between tiers. Or in other words:
T14 DPS = 100k
T15 DPS = 200k
T16 DPS = 400k
the above is just an example but you get the idea.
Unless they alter the relationship between ilvl and stats then the power gain throughout an expansion won't alter.
But when you see a lvl 90 character dish out 35k dps on a boss fight, it just makes you wanna cry tbh.
I get that some of this is needed, but right now there are too many kick protections for assholes. And when the asshole is a tank or healer it's often a matter of "do we want to deal with this jerk or wait 20 mins for a replacement?" If it's a DPS... a single AFK DPS doesn't matter so kicking one won't help.
The issue for DPS is that there's no floor below which you don't get loot. You could do 1k DPS and get loot. Tanks and healers are harder to measure, but... Blizzard won't do any of this because they're making money.
Nothing much changed for me still oneshot all at first day of reset and on last day of reset don't expect progress before four determination stacks.
Although my personal view may not be representative. For example, there must be a reason why Blizzard suddenly went back to ToT and nerfed Horridon Ads for I believe 5th time now
But yeah, OP is just whining, people aren't standing in fire because they got boosted. It's a different problem that has been present forever.
Jeezus..another pretentious, Blizzard adressing thread that goes "I am heroic raider, so listen to me"
LFR is an automated system that by ..whatever..programmed into it puts you together with random people. If you value convinience so much, suck it up. It is the lowest form of raiding and if it is an experience outside your comfy zone..tough titties. Either your alt wants shit served on a plate (aka a full group) or it wants a smooth raid and here is where my point comes in:
Get off your arse and invite your heroic raider friends alts into a flex run....
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and on the side note - dont tell me shit its the casual players with the bossted 90 - causals dont buy frikin pre purchased shit when there is not even a clue when the premiere of game will be - most of those who bought it are the super nerdy types not the casual ones. - it might have been causals if blizzard set prices to buy it now get 50 % discount not when they upped the price by 10 $ in comparison to previous ones - i just dont buy it that its the casuals with htose boosted 90 - its the frikin self entitled childish people who always were scremaing "retards" everywhere they could in lfr while afk alt tab cause they run 10 alts weekly through it therefore they ont give rats ass as long as they are carried.
Last edited by kamuimac; 2014-03-26 at 03:16 PM.
Everytime I run a wing of LFR Im pretty sure my life expectancy is lowered by a month
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1. People don’t care and don’t try they just auto attack.
2. People don’t care and try to die, I have watched people run out of their way to stand in shit and die.
3. People burst on pull to get on the DPS meters and then just go afk for the rest of the fight.
3. People will not wait for someone to explain the fight, some dip shit will pull.
4. Lots of people will not gem, enchant or reforge their gear while going through LFR.
5. The person that gets picked as Raid Lead almost never knows what the hell they are doing, won’t respond to anyone or just plain don’t give a shit.
6. People that are willing to help can never get assist to mark kill targets of players, makes it harder to get things done.
7. They ability to remove someone that is being a disrupting force is often almost imposable to implement.
I understand what the OP is saying, but I disagree that the 90 boosting has made it any worse.
LFR was already bad to begin with. Yes boosted 90s may go in ungemmed/unenchanted and not know the fights, but it was like that before there were boosted 90s.
I do agree that more should be done regarding AFKers/people that don't care.
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