With the upcoming changes to raiding - mythic and all - my guild (which is 11/14H 10 man) is going to be switching to 25 man heroic starting next week. As the GM and RL, I have been preparing and researching for this change for quite some time, but I would like some clarification on certain aspects of 25 man heroic. Any and all help, any suggestions, would be greatly appreciated.
10 man heroic: We use 2 tanks and 3 healers, and stay on the large quadrant in the back of the room when the boss is up. We of course spread out during the add phase to get full coverage. I have to warn people to watch their stacks sometimes, especially our DPS happy mage.
25 man heroic: How many healers does everyone suggest? The number I seem to hear most is five. How many quadrants does your raid use for 25 man? As for swelling corruption, since the boss only has 50 stacks (just like on 10 man), yet there are so many more people in 25, is it possible for DPS to ignore the mechanic altogether?
Fallen Protectors :
10 man heroic: We use 2 tanks and 3 healers and unlike a lot of guilds, our dps order is Sun, then Rook, then He.
25 man heroic: How many healers do you suggest? On 10 man, during Sun's desperate measures phase, I tank Rook outside the "bubble" on top of one of the outside adds and usually pop a major CD. Is this advisable on 25 heroic, or should I try to stay in the center with everyone else? I suppose the preferred dps order would be Rook, He, Sun?
10 man heroic: We use 2 tanks and 2 healers. We send DPS "downstairs" one at a time. At the same time, we send a tank, healer, healer, then the second tank. Because we out gear it so much, the final DPS (usually our off-spec'd resto druid) just stays out the entire fight and never gets purified. Generally speaking only the tanks and healers soak the orbs.
25 man heroic: Amount of healers? On some forum posts I have read, they are suggesting 3 tanks for this fight to help with add control. Others suggest a dedicated add killing team that never gets purified. What is optimal? I am leaning toward sending 4 dps per round and using 3 tanks. DPS will need to soak orbs as well, correct?
Sha of Pride :
10 man heroic: One of our messier fights each week, for whatever reason. We use 2 tanks and 2 healers. I am constantly reminding people to soak void zones. We spread out around the boss and use bloodlust at 30%.
25 man heroic: 5 healers? 6? I know I will have to ride the raid even more about soaking the void zones on 25. Is it recommended to use bloodlust at the start of the encounter since there are so many more raid cooldowns available in 25 for the burn phase? How many people get teleported to the "Pac Man" realm at a time? Is still one like in 10 man, or is it more? Can healers ignore the Titan buff for when it comes to dispels?
10 man heroic: We use 2 tanks and 2 healers. For towers, we send a tank, healer and 2 DPS. 2 DPS handle the demolitionist add. For the burn, we have a melee stack point and a ranged/healer stack point. Whomever gets the debuff on them runs straight back behind the ranged group. They rotate out at 4 stacks.
25 man heroic: Again, how many healers? How many do you send on the tower team? 1 tank, 2 healers, 5 DPS? 6? How many handle the demolitionist, and does it need a healer to be part of the group? I imagine the minibosses in the tower hit incredibly hard in 25. Also, we have a tank in 10 man grab one of the cannons and shoot the boss down. Is this suggested for 25 man? Lastly, is our stacking method - melee and ranged/healers - viable for 25?
Iron Juggernaut :
10 man heroic: We use 2 tanks and 3 healers. Our warrior tank gets all three of his bombs, and I (prot paladin) get two of the three, with our kitty druid momentarily shifting to bear and soaking the third each round, then switching back to kitty. For siege phase, we use the knockback tactic - get knocked back 80 yards and hide there until the boss re-enters phase 1.
25 man heroic: I am thinking 6 healers? There are still three bombs per round, yes? I imagine the majority of raid cooldowns will need to be used for the boss' knockback and siege phase? I plan on players with immunities or massive damage reductions (i.e. dispersion) soaking bombs when/if needed.
10 man heroic: We use 3 tanks and 3 healers. Our kitty druid goes bear and tanks the downstairs with a disc priest and all of the ranged DPS. I go up to the top of the hill with our prot warrior, resto druid, resto shaman and unholy DK. Damage is much higher up top; our disc priest mostly does atonement downstairs. We only have people die downstairs when they out-range him.
25 man heroic: 3 tanks, of course. I have read tactics with 2 healers downstairs, and 4 at the top of the hill. Do you recommend this as well? All of the melee DPS to the top of the hill? Our healer comp for 25 man will be two disc, one shaman, two druid, one paladin... what would be the ideal healer to be downstairs with the first disc? There will be five iron prisons going out at a time, correct?
General Nazgrim :
10 man heroic: We use 2 tanks and 2 healers. Our shadow priest seems to favor focusing the assassin down first but when he is not in, our elemental shaman prefers the shaman to be the priority (each call out the priority on Mumble differently). We have a hunter kite and concussive/scatter the ironblade, our kitty druid locks down the fire mage and our unholy DK "tanks" the shaman healer. We lust anywhere from 10-25% and ignore the adds with the off tank (whomever it is) running out and trying to do whatever he can with the remaining adds.
25 man heroic: This is another fight where I've read that a third tank is viable. Is this true? The third tank helps control/stun adds. What is the suggested priority order for the adds? Is this a 5 or 6 healer fight? I imagine on 25 you want to lust at 10-12%? I also read that tanks will need external cooldowns during berserker stance. If we go three tanks, which are the best ones to tank the boss? Our three "main" tanks will be paladin, warrior and death knight.
10 man heroic: We use 2 tanks and 2 healers. I (prot paladin) solo soak the blood rage with DPS cloak and DPS meta with no problem whatsoever. After the first breath, when I am not tanking, I pop bubble + rocket boots to help clear orbs. During blood rage our prot warrior pops bubbles and others (hunters with deterrence, shadow priest with dispersion, etc) do the same.
25 man heroic: This is the one fight in 25 man that I am unsure about. 2 tanks and 6 healers I suppose? Is it possible to just stack for blood rage and heal through the damage? Or is it recommended to solo soak the blood rage as a tank with massive external CDs? Is there another strategy that you recommend? Melee DPS will have to help the tanks by taunting the adds to us? Oh, and yes, I will not try to cheese the DPS meters with the DPS cloak and meta in 25 man. I will wear both tank ones.
Spoils of Pandaria :
10 man heroic: We use 2 tanks and 2 healers. Not much to this fight really.
25 man heroic: Many posts I have read on the forums say this fight can only be 4 healed, but I read one that says their guild uses 5 healers, with the 5th starting on the mantid side then switching over to the other mantid side. Is this recommended? I imagine raid CDs will need to be used for each of the massive bosses' AOE? How many people are dedicated to sparks? In 10 man we generally have one DPS (or the healer with the buff) assigned to them.
Thok the Bloodthirsty :
10 man heroic: We use 1 tank and 3 healers. We go Poison, then Frost, then Fire. We start the fight and go 22 stacks, then 12, then 5 and kill him during the final kite. We do not have a warlock so we cannot use teleportation portals and thus, I have found it best to open the jail cells as quickly as possible.
25 man heroic: 2 tanks and 7-8 healers is what I see as the recommendation. Poison, Frost, Fire? Oh, and we will have warlocks in 25. I also read you want to push Thok as close to 29 stacks, without hitting 30, as you can each phase. I am also curious as to the CD usage during each stack. In 10 man this is what we use:
4 - Spirit Shell
6 - Ironbark tank + Tree of Life
7 - Vampiric Embrace
10 - BOP Resto Shaman + Ascendance
12 - Pain Suppression on tank
14 - Devotion Aura + Tranquility
17 - Tank's Light's Hammer on raid + Spirit Link Totem
20 - Stack, Barrier on tank, phase out.
(Second BOP used on elemental shaman for bats in phase 2). It seems to work fine for us. I imagine that would work as a rough outline, but another CD (or two) would need to be added on top for 25 man?
We have yet to kill Siegecrafter Blackfuse on heroic, so I am not worried about the tactics for him or the Paragons quite yet (the guild we are absorbing is 9/14H 10 man). I do have a few questions for 25 normal Garrosh, however.
3 tanks, the third being used to pick up and handle adds during the burn phase? Or is two perfectly fine? Stacking in the opening phase on top of desecrated weapons is viable or not?
I realize this is a long post with lots of questions, but any help or tips/tricks/suggestions from those who have done 25 heroic would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you for your time!