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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by Krolikn View Post
    If you are a PvPer then WoW is not for you. Go play a balanced game
    Theres is nothing more that can be added to the topic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobleshield View Post
    You seem to have a strong dislike of people that you deem inferior (based on whatever criteria) having the same things as you, even if they look slightly different and are much weaker than your version (ie LFR tier), based on some abstract concept that you "deserve" it and they do not, based again on some arbitrary criteria.

  2. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by advanta View Post
    If you contrast this with PVP:
    Still actual

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    Quote Originally Posted by iinverse View Post
    Still actual
    Actually your image would be more apt if the PVE was nothing but a huge DBM/Bigwigs text.

    I find it funny people think WoW is a complex game. No, I correct myself - it's not funny at all, in fact it's quite sad.
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  4. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by Miuku View Post
    I find it funny people think WoW is a complex game. No, I correct myself - it's not funny at all, in fact it's quite sad.
    Well, it's easy to learn, but hard to master.

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  5. #185
    Raised in a very athletic background, it was both hilarious and very insulting to play against most people who trash talked. They'd crack a range of jokes from "yo mama" to insulting your looks or game. In contrast, I have come to find that trash talking in gaming is rather sad. They typically just call you "noob" or scream "OMFG U SUCK" or profanities. Because of this, PvP does have a boring, sour taste in my mouth.

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    Judging pve off of lfr is like judging pvp off of random bgs

  7. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by advanta View Post
    OK, so as I'm sure the pve'rs will say, LFR sucks, which it does, massively. Join a
    good guild.

    Now, I can appreciate a good guild with a great raid leader would make for a more
    positive experience. But, that's like saying working in a bank is great if your co-workers
    are fun people. However, you do it, as the content becomes familiar through repetition
    it becomes a chore, as does anything. There is no possibility of deviation from your
    core tactics/rotation, and these things take hours.

    I usually complete new raids at least once. But, I can't understand how any one can do the
    same content again and again and again till autumn. Indeed, many don't, judging by
    the numbers that dropped off in dragon soul. Seriously, how do you raiders manage it?
    Well.. everything you said is correct, but that's completely fine.
    Yes, you need to find a good guild with people you can at least get along with.
    Yes, when everything is on farm it becomes a chore an boring. So what?
    By the time my guild has cleared a new raid on heroic it's usually been a couple of months since its release, so it was fun and challenging for quite some time and the next content is at least somewhere on the horizon.
    By that time we reduce our raiding to 1-2 nights a week to farm and prepare for the next content or (as it was the case with this content) farm mounts for the active people in our roster. That farming-phase is boring, I won't deny that, but it's not that time consuming anymore, the guild stays in touch until the next content is released and everybody gets his reward for clearing everything.

    Right now we are indeed done and there is nothing left to do and we will finally stop raiding until the expansion pre-patch hits. So I fully agree: After the content is done, its not interesting and fun anymore. But it's not like we clear heroic in just 1 or 2 weeks.. so there is just no problem. It is challenging and entertaining for quite some time.

    If you don't have the possibility to raid in a group that fits your expectations (most likely a guild) and are stuck with lfr or flex, which is usually completed very quick, I can completely understand, that you don't want to do it more than once or twice. That's just not the real deal. Real PvE isn't cleared within the first lockout and offers you something new and growing challenges for quite some time (depending on how fast you clear things ofc).

    For us, SoO was pretty much dead after garrosh hc went down and we pretty much just kept farming until everybody got his mount.. cause that's part of being in a guild, too. As garrosh drops only 2 mounts per week and our roster contained about 32 people, that farming took quite some time and it was dull and boring, nobody would deny that. The dull farming after T14 and T15 heroic didn't go on for so long however, as the gaps between content-releases weren't as long and there were no mounts to grind.

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    I hate PvP
    I recently joined in to Random Battleground...oh wait
    You wanna know why i love PvE when i join in LFR there maybe is a chance that group of players to beat the big bad boss because i do the half of the raid DPS but going in to random BG no matter how good you are and how geared you are you have zero chances to won well except if you arent blood DK in WSG
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    ITT: LFR = the entirety of PvE

    Bust seriously, there is much more to PvE than that.

    Its an over simplification like saying "Isn't PvP just fighting 2-5 people in the same arena over and over?"

  10. #190
    OP, I am sure you could appreciate that the difference in experience between LFR and a REAL raid team.... would be similar to Random BG vs Premade Group

  11. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by miffy23 View Post
    OP: "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE".

    There's really nothing to say but "tastes differ". You might as well lament as to why some people like pizza and others don't. Good grief.
    "Good grief"? He was asking what elements keep pve'rs going, and what they enjoyed so much. Did you really take it as 'stop liking what i don't like'? Good grief...

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    I PVE because I enjoy it. I like throwing myself against whatever difficult encounters they've designed and having to work together as a team to overcome them. After that, regarding the repetitiveness, there's still plenty that keeps me interested. At first its just getting better at the encounter, and of course the carrot of loot being dangled as well. But even past that there's just the fun of trying to do better, to get better numbers, to rank higher or beat someone else in your guild or just to have fun killing stuff.

    As for PVP - I've dabbled a bit but I've never been that great at it or had a big interest. I've done RBGs up to about 2k or so, and 2v2/3v3 less than that. Its just not my thing. Which is fine, I get why people don't like PVE and do like PVP, I'm just the opposite of that.

    I don't really get PVP players who use the repetitive argument though - every season there are a few comps that are going to be the best because of whatever classes are OP or whatever abilities are working well together at the time, so to me it doesn't seem like once you get to the top ranks of PVP you aren't exactly going to be facing a million different combinations. Obviously with players there is more unpredictability and skill differences between players, but there's always going to be a similar approach to beating an RMP every time you face that combo. There's going to be more variety in RBGs but even then there's a lot of specs/classes which just aren't going to show up at any competitive level because they aren't that great or because other classes strengths are too good. I think that in PVP as well you'll have a ton of repetitiveness if you play for any length of time, but then again repetitiveness and grind are the backbones of MMOs.

  13. #193
    It can get frustrating when you understand the boss perfectly, and no one else does, but you just persist in showing them how to do it and doing the best you can.

    Same thing with PvP really, when you're saddled with a group of incompetents. It's why I'm glad there's more small group content like scenarios and solo stuff like brawler's now.

    I mostly hate PvP because people are insanely good at mouse-twisting and jumping like drunken hozen. Maybe I don't have the million keybinds, interface mods, and weeks of practice needed to be good at it. There's no filtering system like there is in PvE where you're put up against people of the same difficulty as yourself.
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    What keeps me coming back week in week out?

    1) Trying to get my team mates the loot they need / want and realizing that to keep pushing on the entire team needs gear and if it weren't for the 24 others I would not have anything.
    2) Each week is a chance to do the fight better, faster, cleaner.
    3) I compete vs myself each week ...go look at my wol and then look at those ranking and if a comparable strat is being used try and rank and or at the least do better than I did the week before.

    Those are the top 3 for myself outside of the social / chilling with 24 other people to relax and have fun aspect!

    Again this is Heroic raiding..I would probably be bored of PVE outside of progress raiding however.

  15. #195
    PvP seems like that to me. PvPers generally try to tell me that "every match is different because you're playing different people" but in the end, most wins can be attributed to gear, player skill or the classes each are playing with. It really is that simple to me. I'd rather PvE because I'm playing -with- other players, not against them, as PvP usually just frustrates the hell at me when I lose - and I lose a lot.
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  16. #196
    I don't get the PvE is always the same argument. So is PvP, you go into the same bgs, same goals in mind, same strategies, you go against the same classes and have strategies for how to deal with each class. I'm not saying PvP is inferior or less challenging, but it's just as samey as PvE.

  17. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by Post View Post
    I don't get the PvE is always the same argument. So is PvP, you go into the same bgs, same goals in mind, same strategies, you go against the same classes and have strategies for how to deal with each class. I'm not saying PvP is inferior or less challenging, but it's just as samey as PvE.
    PvP isn't scripted; every single encounter is different, because it's another human who's actively trying to beat you.

  18. #198
    Quote Originally Posted by Itisamuh View Post
    PvP isn't scripted; every single encounter is different, because it's another human who's actively trying to beat you.
    It isn't scripted, but disc priest vs warrior will always play out similarly with both people going in with the same strategies they always use against that class, so will PvE encounters. Not every one is exactly the same, there are differing variables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itisamuh View Post
    PvP isn't scripted; every single encounter is different, because it's another human who's actively trying to beat you.
    Its not scripted like a PVE encounter is, that's true. However, with similar skill levels you are going to run into the same kinds of situations and uses of abilities based on your class and their class, or your comp vs their comp. Its not the same as PVE since people don't always do the same things and people have different reaction times and skill, but its not exactly like every time a mage fights a warrior there are an infinite number of ways it can go. There are only a few optimal things for each class to do based on the other, which is not unlike PVE in that regard. Sure, both classes have a ton of things they could do, but most of them will end up in a very short fight for one or the other if they don't counter the others abilities correctly.

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    Breaking News: PvE has RNG mechanics.

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