There is also a tendency to prioritise performance over personality in hardcore - i.e. if johnny awesome is also an utter monster who insults everyone it's more likely an extremely competitive group wil let his behaviour slide (even if the eventual plan is to replace him the desire to keep raiding will take priority).
Good and great players don't get hassle from elitists, that's the point of eltiist behaviour. Think of elitism like a machine that slaps you in the face if you are under 6 feet tall but you'd never know existed if you were taller than that. Tall people don't notice but everyone else is sick of it.I always wonder if people who claim their "elite" guild is full of douchebags are actually the problem, rather than the guild.
Personally I've never had trouble with any guild I've been in, even relatively successful ones. I've never had a RL or GM that screamed at people (pro-tip, not a formula for success in most cases since you're trying to retain your good players, not push them into a better guild) during my stint in a top 100 guild. I have been in plenty of pugs on my server with less successful guild's groups and listened to their RL scream at everyone on what is supposed to be a "fun" "offnight" type raid. Doesn't bear thinking about what their main raids are like.
Guild Blog for <Debonair> EU, Zenedar.
I have only been in one guild since I started raiding seriusly in wotlk, so I wouldnt know how other guilds operate. So how is a elitist or friedly guild compared to my guild that is strick, but still friendly to a degree unless you fuck up?
I have been thinking about switching over to another guild, since most people are tired off SoO and are taking a break before WoD comes out, while I stared again a few months ago. I feel my current guild got potensial as we got to ragnaros HC (never downed him) and we got to ultraxion HC in DS before I quit.
1. Answer to your question depends on what you want, what you really enjoy in raiding.
I went through 5 guilds during last 5 days and in 3 cases it was because I preferred guild with "more skilled people".
My first guild is really friendly oriented, I still attend half-year camps with them but apart from alt raid I wouldn't like to raid with them anymore. They prefer fun to raid results.
The second guild was a social one and preferred people above skill. When we were progressing Spine HC and there was a lock in the raid I would bash my head against the wall cause I know we will keep wiping all the night because locks were below tank in DPS to Tendon. Worse - there was no sign of improvement in them while I changed spec and learned new rotation just for this single encounter.
The third guild was quite OK, but people were not committed enough. How can you raid with someone who has tactics written on the guild page and the don't even bother to read it before raid? The guild leadership was good but the guild mindset was not to take it too seriously. I'm still their friend.
Fourth guild disbanded, apart from that I liked it very much, it was balanced. The current guild I'm in has 14/14 HC, has skilled and friendly ppl (unfortunately some slackers too), but I'm happy with progress/effort/socialization ratio.
2. Term "elitist" is misused and abused the same way as "freedom". If I don't stand in fire and expect everyone not to stand in fire am I elitist? If I check logs after most of the raids and enjoy to have DPS ranks, am I elitist?
3. So generally I would always try to change the guild if people had different interest in raiding than me. Otherwise it wouldn't work well. That said I would never ever enroll to a guild where the raid mood would be bad, ppl would act like a-holes and wouldn't respect each other.
Maybe you didn't describe the second group well, they sound nice and skilled, is that right? In that case I don't see why you wouldn't go with them.
Elitism is the belief or attitude that some individuals, who form an elite—a select group of people with a certain ancestry, intrinsic quality or worth, higher intellect, wealth, specialized training or experience, or other distinctive attributes—are those whose influence or authority is greater than that of others; whose views on a matter are to be taken the most seriously or carry the most weight; whose views or actions are most likely to be constructive to society as a whole; or whose extraordinary skills, abilities, or wisdom render them especially fit to governI think people mix up the two, for some odd reason.Douchebag. Someone who has surpassed the levels of jerk and asshole, however not yet reached fucker or motherfucker. Not to be confuzed with douche.
Rob:He kept hitting on my girlfriend at the party, he just wouldnt leave her alone!!
Sam: God, what a douchebag.
Personally I'd prefer playing with elitist-players, since we share a common goal in clearing the instance as smooth as possible.
As with life, not all good groups are elitists, not all elitists are bad, not all bads are nice. I have played with all types, in the end I like nice people who are really good. That was my favorite time. When all the stars aligned for me. I got to plan the toon I wanted, spec I wanted, was really good at it and everyone always said how good I was at it. I loved my whole raid team, awesome people who did their jobs exceptionally well. We didn't stress over anything, it was just a fun time. It was about the people most of all. Later, I played with people who were just as nice, not quite as good. They or I would become frustrated etc. Introduce LFR and most of the time, I was one of the top 3-5 people there. Doing what I was suppose to, keeping to myself. Sometimes it felt fine, a wipe or two cuz that's what happens in raids. Sometimes it was stupid wiping. Other times it was easy mode for the sake of easy mode.
I think the best is when you have a solid group that is fairly friendly. When you have use real names, have use character names.
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It always amuses me when people think a "guild" is a different country or feel obligated to help people out (not in your case) and stick around and be miserable.
If progression is what you want, do it. Some people are content just raiding.
From my experience, as long as you carry your weight, elitists (in the context you seem to be referring them as) are not necessarily bad people to group with. They can take the game a bit too seriously, but no-one's perfect.
I've never really understood people belittling others lack of skills in a game or real life for that matter.
Depends. I enjoy two aspects of the game.. the social side having fun; however I also enjoy success. its really about balancr and the type of content u play. I and pvp focused. in rbgs ya cant have too many newbs as there is required skill. wherras bgs and arenas idm losing a few as I dont feel its competetive.. at a low level rating anyway. try doing older raids with your friends or shit like that. theres less to do in pve I guess..