Everybody else is chasing the carrot and trying to avoid the stick to one degree or another.
1) Do all these things or I'll burn you for eternity.
2) Does all the things to avoid being burned for eternity.
If they can't - what does it say about the voters who wouldn't vote for that person? So they rather vote a scumbag like Nixon who believes in god, than a honest humanist who doesn't believe?
If you broaden it up to the carrot simply being how good it feels to believe in a deity and an afterlife and the stick to how bad it feels to think about dying being the actual end and the lack of objective purpose to life, I do think you could easily support that being true in a majority of cases.
Which situation more clearly demonstrates a moral choice?
A) Somebody really pisses you off. You don't kill them because killing is wrong.
B) Somebody really pisses you off. You don't kill them because you're afraid of burning for eternity, and also because you were told if you don't ever kill anyone you get to have eternal bliss, see all your dead relatives, bask in the radiance of your maker, and learn all the secrets of the universe.
One is somebody behaving morally, and the other is someone being bribed and threatened.
You firstly assume every religion is Catholic, I have no idea why. And secondly you assume every single action is done because of fear of some potential after death doom.
Tell me exactly, Was Saint Francis going around the world doing all those good deeds because he was afraid of some Divine punishment? Was he driven by greed of his own soul?
Would Saint Francis been a better man if he was an Atheist? You try to talk about moral choices and how mature you are than religious people yet your assuming they're all crazy folk and using petty minded bigotry just like you assume they do.
THAT is why I call you a 12 year old.
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This isn't the middle ages, not everywhere is bumbfuck Missisippi where everyone is afraid of god, and Quite frankly, as an Atheist myself I find this sudden inclination that theism is some kind of damning hatred that must be expunged because of my own personal beliefs is downright horrible.
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I'm honestly not even sure you understand what I'm saying.
I didn't make a claim as to why people were originally religious. I'm talking about why people remain religious even after considering atheism. In my experience, there is a clear pattern of two things that result in them rejecting atheism: incredulity and fear of purposelessness. I think you're being a little too angry with the other guy to treat what I said with fair consideration.
What I am saying and you so deftly avoiding is making assumptions about every single religious person like that is downright stupid and close minded.
Also Nihilism isn't a theological stance.
You really are shaping up to be my utter Antithesis in your clumsy staggering Philosophical stances.
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Surely you can see the difference between doing a good deed for the sake of it's goodness vs. doing a good deed for the sake of its goodness AND to avoid eternal torture AND to receive the reward of eternal life.
You still haven't answered my question.
There is no such thing as Ethical Nihilism, anything you spout is merely some Americanized stupidty of misunderstanding what Nihilism is just like everyone misunderstand the phrase "God is Dead, and we killed him."
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Well ethical nihilism is an idea, and by merely mentioning its name you have proven its existence. Also, your boorishness does your argument (or lack, thereof) no service.There is no such thing as Ethical Nihilism, anything you spout is merely some Americanized stupidty of misunderstanding what Nihilism is just like everyone misunderstand the phrase "God is Dead, and we killed him."