I'll support this bill when splitting the bill becomes the social norm on a date.
That's not how it works. If you make a claim, then you provide the evidence. You can't just say "Look it up yourself" and then act as if that proves something.
I also don't understand why the jobs being female dominant somehow implies sexism more than male dominant jobs. Just because somebody said so?
“Humanism means that the man is the measure of all things...But it is not only that man must start from himself in the area of knowledge and learning, but any value system must come arbitrarily from man himself by arbitrary choice.” - Francis A. Schaeffer
This seems worth sharing with the thread since these things are always low on data.
Yes there is a gap. 77 cents on the dollar is accurate but lacks nuance. There is plenty of evidence there is some pay discrimination against women that varies by industry. Some of it is also based around decisions women make. Those decisions themselves may be subject to discrimination etc..
Turns out nuanced issue is nuanced.
In the European union Equal pay for equal work is a fundamental right. USA is a decade behind in civil rights it seems.
"For reasons known only to them, Senate Republicans don’t seem to be interested in" doing diddlysquat. Well, unless it personally benefits them.
Taking nursing, I am finding trouble locating exact numbers on this. But this is a interesting take on it though it doesn't specify where the numbers came from... (Found references was just blind apparently.)
Male and female nurses hired right out of school into the same area generally make the same salary, especially in unionized hospitals, where salaries are standardized by experience. As their careers advance, male nurses generally make more than women, either because they choose nursing specialties that pay more, such as anesthesiology, or because they advance into management positions, which pay more. In 2010, the median weekly salary for male nurses was $1,201, compared to $1,039 for women -- 86 percent of the male nurse's salary, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
The alone would say there is a pay gap. Follow that with this.
About 7 percent of nurses are men, according to the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.
Then combine that with this.
Men represent about 45 percent of nurse anesthetists, one of the highest-paying nursing specialties, according to the Anesthesia Zone website.
Which would help explain why the first listed item has a gap. Now, without delving deeper into it and seeing exact numbers... I say do as I am and take it with a grain of salt, but the perception and what I am reading don't exactly seem that far out of line.
Reference. http://work.chron.com/gender-equalit...ers-11250.html
Don't know exactly how reliable it is but references are towards the bottom of it. Still reading into the references but it sort of makes sense.
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“Humanism means that the man is the measure of all things...But it is not only that man must start from himself in the area of knowledge and learning, but any value system must come arbitrarily from man himself by arbitrary choice.” - Francis A. Schaeffer
I love how this position always assumes that the salary movement will be women moving up. In the shit economy we are stuck in where there is a worker supply surplus what makes you think that it wouldn't just result in men's salaries moving downward. I know, we can do the great liberal idea of wage controls because you know that has never been a complete fucking disaster.
So men deserve to succeed at the expense of women? Yeah, good luck with that, asshole.
Also, who's talking about wage control? Have you read the bill? Didn't think so.
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Yeah, I don't think you know what that term means.
Yeah, because if there's one thing our country can do without, it's justice.Isn't that modern politicians in general? At least republicans don't hide it behind claims of social justice like democrats.
“Humanism means that the man is the measure of all things...But it is not only that man must start from himself in the area of knowledge and learning, but any value system must come arbitrarily from man himself by arbitrary choice.” - Francis A. Schaeffer
Pay gaps exist everywhere. Gender, age, ethnicity, race, culture, industry.
Even how attractive you are: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...55331418204842
http://www.businessinsider.com/attra...cessful-2012-9
There are often valid reasons for observing a pay gap between groups. Men are better investments in long term employment, simply due to sociological factors, namely the division of labour. Attractive people probably earn more because clients like them more, or they're simply more pleasant to look at day in day out and give the firm a better look.
The idea is equal wage for equal work. As long as they're accomplishing identical productivity, then why not pay them the same? Makes no difference who's doing the work...at least it shouldn't.
Now, if the productivity is less, of course pay them less. Somehow I don't think that's the reason here.
I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutesOr should I?
Also as a quick look into the teaching portion...
http://www.menteach.org/resources/da...t_men_teachers
In the link it has graphs for a couple years along with links to BLS, but 2011 42 percent of secondary school teachers were males, while 18.3 percent were elementary/middle school teachers.
Wikipedia is one of the only places I could find numbers for college.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profess..._United_States
If implying sexism based on the averages, it would sort of make sense same with the nursing field that if there was less men in teaching, and those that are teaching tend to migrate towards higher paid jobs then likely the average would be skewed to them earning more.