Ashran, not what they promised

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•Ashran will be somewhat like a Timeless Isle for PvP. Players can go there, explore the island, kill some players and creatures, and earn some things that will benefit them in PvP.
•Ashran will have a Horde and Alliance fortress on opposite ends of the island, with staging areas behind each base. This area will have vendors, let you duel, and be a place for PvP players to hang out. Each faction's base is fully manned with NPCs that are fighting a battle. The main battle takes place in the center, slowly pushing towards the other faction's fortress. There are objectives on the outer edges of the island. It shouldn't feel too much like a battleground, more like unstructured PvP with some points of interest. Ashran won't be ready for the initial builds.

WTF! They promised a huge sandbox pvp battelground that can go on for days like the old AV, but instead its going to be just a zone with some pvp quests and objectives. Nobody is going for coordinated pvp and objectives, its going to be a group ganking single players, and afk people standing at their own base, like another timeless isle. Unless this isnt a real bg where you have to queue up like the others, this isnt going to work out.

[Mormolyce]

Might shock you to know old AV had quests and objectives too.

[Imnick]

Yeah this is exactly what they promised.
Old AV was a big PvP Sandbox where you'd fight the Horde but also wander around performing objectives like fighting PvE mobs and collecting items for fetch quests.

You're also right that it isn't a queued battleground. They've said from the start that it's a zone you just walk into, not a queued experience. It's open 24/7.

[Ratyrel]

Actually that's pretty much what old AV was.

[DenniZ]

I was also a little disappointed when I read that, also they admitted they were revisiting the design of Ashran a lot during development. It is starting to sound like another zone that just isnt going to work out.

[Deleted]

Ugh, I hated how Timeless Isle worked out to be T.T

[PuppetShowJustice]

Might shock you to know old AV had quests and objectives too.

It's not often I see a topic where the first reply knocks it right out of the park but you nailed it.

[Deleted]

Unless this isnt a real bg where you have to queue up like the others, this isnt going to work out.

Did you even watch the interview? They said exactly that.

Might shock you to know old AV had quests and objectives too.

also this.


There's nothing we know yet that indicates it will be anything other than what they promised, an AV-like that's open 24/7. If there are problems, make sure you yell at blizzard when the beta is open, not at fansites with "problems" they just make it look like you're misinformed.

[Hottage]

Sounds a lot like the Alterac Valley I used to play...

[Deleted]

WTF! They promised a huge sandbox pvp battelground that can go on for days like the old AV, but instead its going to be just a zone with some pvp quests and objectives. Nobody is going for coordinated pvp and objectives, its going to be a group ganking single players, and afk people standing at their own base, like another timeless isle. Unless this isnt a real bg where you have to queue up like the others, this isnt going to work out.

Having quest content, and possibly rares / world bosses there is a great way to lure people to the zone, even those with no interest in doing world PvP.

[Deleted]

Might shock you to know old AV had quests and objectives too.

yeah smart%@ss I know, you missed my point.

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It's not often I see a topic where the first reply knocks it right out of the park but you nailed it.

no he didnt nailed, he was just being a smart#@ss I know there where quests and stuff, that wasnt my point.

[Zebuthecow]

WTF! They promised a huge sandbox pvp battelground that can go on for days like the old AV, but instead its going to be just a zone with some pvp quests and objectives. Nobody is going for coordinated pvp and objectives, its going to be a group ganking single players, and afk people standing at their own base, like another timeless isle. Unless this isnt a real bg where you have to queue up like the others, this isnt going to work out.

Again- you sure can tell the beginners and intermediate players to any game by the posts they post.

You never actually played old AV did you, angry person who likes being angry for no good reason at all?

[Haven2011]

I'm still waiting to see if I going to be as good as it sounds

[Deleted]

Yeah this is exactly what they promised.
Old AV was a big PvP Sandbox where you'd fight the Horde but also wander around performing objectives like fighting PvE mobs and collecting items for fetch quests.

You're also right that it isn't a queued battleground. They've said from the start that it's a zone you just walk into, not a queued experience. It's open 24/7.

You dont have to explain what old av whas, I know. Its not going to work if its just an open zone.

[Deleted]

So because no one has to queue up, it doesn't make it proper pvp?

You open saying 'it's not what they told us it would be', but it is.

Ganking happens in any pvp zone / BG I find, and I never see any afkers anymore either. And who even coordinates anymore? People get to know how new areas work then you go for it.

Really, I'm not sure what the problem here is.

[Huntermyth]

Sounds a lot like the Alterac Valley I used to play...

exactly this, i am so hyped for ashran.

i am sure some of you guys remember how shredder and ivus / lok'holar material gatherings were actually fun.

to the newer players: do NOT complain, you will like it.

[Deleted]

Again- you sure can tell the beginners and intermediate players to any game by the posts they post.

You never actually played old AV did you, angry person who likes being angry for no good reason at all?

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[Sacrelis]

This will not work only if the Players fail it, not the devs. Tarren Mill vs South Shore has no objectives at all other than "omg someone ganked me, lets shit on their town!". Devs can only do so much for Open world PvP, they can only put in so much reward before it outclass the raids/arenas/bgs, they have to spread objectives out otherwise some potato computers running on cotton internet connections can't handle it. From a design perspective, yes they have a limit to what they can do.

Remember the zone has cross-realm tech implemented to make sure the place is fully populated and balanced by players, all the tools to make the place exciting is there but the key - the players, is what is needed to make it awesome. So if you are worried or excited about Ashran, when the time comes please spread the word and join the fight. That's all.

[Pool of the Dead]

WTF! They promised a huge sandbox pvp battelground that can go on for days like the old AV, but instead its going to be just a zone with some pvp quests and objectives. Nobody is going for coordinated pvp and objectives, its going to be a group ganking single players, and afk people standing at their own base, like another timeless isle. Unless this isnt a real bg where you have to queue up like the others, this isnt going to work out.

You obviously never played old AV. /facepalm

[etubrutei]

So far Ashran looks like they are achieving what they stated but its still good to not get to invested things can change a lot in Alpha/Beta.