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    Quote Originally Posted by Computed Lamb View Post
    WoW isn't a console game, so it's not a very valid comparison as they are in different markets. For example, it would be pretty silly to compare WoW to Call of Duty.

    Most of the MMO PC games I checked out were free-to-play. Since you exclude a sub fee and initial purchase costs, even a monthly budget for micro-transactions seem to fall below the cost of WoW.
    Call of duty is also on pc.... so are more than 90% of console games...
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    Quote Originally Posted by clevin View Post
    I know about turnover. But to claim most people play 3 months total, ever, is silly. And I love how you and he claim you know things like "WoW still has a relatively high turnover rate of people playing for short periods of time" because unless you work at Blizzard...

    Here's a clue. Several million people are subbed now and likely have been for most of the last 2 years.

    IN any event this entire topic is one huge troll that the mods should have closed. WoW is expensive if you only play a month or 3 and buy everything new for that. It's cheap if you play for 12 months or even more. If someone doesn't find it has value for them, the blindingly obvious thing to do is *play something else*.
    Within the sub numbers you will have people who have played over a long period of time and form the stable backbone of sub numbers and you will also have a turbulent amount of people who buy the game recently and for whatever reason stop playing after a substantially shorter period of time than the stable members do. Both of these categories make up the current playerbase. I am not making a sweeping statement on why subs are gained or lost. I am merely stating that in the most likely case these are what the sub numbers are split into.

    However, your hypocrisy in dismissing my statement on the basis that I do not work for Blizzard and then inserting your own assertions of a similar nature, despite you yourself not working for Blizzard, is pretty regrettable.

    Please follow your own words carefully before making a rebuttal to this post.

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    Because the game gets updates and runs on the companies servers. The only updates we have to pay more for are expansion packs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spinner981 View Post
    Because the game gets updates and runs on the companies servers. The only updates we have to pay more for are expansion packs.
    So we get access to servers, which are negligible in cost as activison doesn't even list it as a major expense (this is with them running Diablo 3, Diablo 2, Starcraft, WC3, WoW, most Call of Duty games, and Skylanders) and some of the content (not expansions, and not numerous pet and mounts and even some armor), sounds like we're getting hosed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewor View Post
    However, your hypocrisy in dismissing my statement on the basis that I do not work for Blizzard and then inserting your own assertions of a similar nature, despite you yourself not working for Blizzard, is pretty regrettable.

    Please follow your own words carefully before making a rebuttal to this post.
    Sigh. Re-read my post. Note the word 'likely'. Note the lack of any such qualifier on your post. Think about the difference. Here, I'll tell you... my post is specifically called out as a probability. Yours is a statement of absolute fact.

    Good lord, do they even teach critical reading skills anymore? Words. Matter.

    and for the fifth time...(this isn't to you, but to the people whining about the pricing) if someone doesn't feel WoW is worth it, don't play it. How hard is this? The price is clear upfront, you get a free trial to see if you like the game a bit, make an informed choice. Quit acting like a bunch of children and take some responsibility for your decisions.
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    Better question is why do we wait a year for new content when we pay this much. The answer is blizzard no longer cares about games. They care about money.

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    It is far far from expensive, it is one of the cheapest games out there so dont know where you get the idea that it is expensive from

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    Quote Originally Posted by godofslack View Post
    So we get access to servers, which are negligible in cost as activison doesn't even list it as a major expense (this is with them running Diablo 3, Diablo 2, Starcraft, WC3, WoW, most Call of Duty games, and Skylanders) and some of the content (not expansions, and not numerous pet and mounts and even some armor), sounds like we're getting hosed.
    Servers and server maintenance are pretty much the bare minimum to keep the game running, and everything else is probably lumped in with updates. What I am saying is that they have to upkeep the game, unlike 60$ console games that you only pay once for that you never get anything new for except perhaps downloadable content that also costs money.
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    Its because Blizzard obviously wants to screw you out of your hard earned money. You should consider switching to " cheaper " forms of entertainment if you don't think Wow is worth the current price.
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    If you want to buy it at release, yeah it's pretty pricy. Otherwise it's debatable if it's really that expensive when you can find the game not even a year later on sale for maybe $50 for the current expansion, all the previous expansions (And base game), 30 days included, and sometimes a discount on game time cards if it is retail. That runs you what, $60ish for an MMORPG on the constant sales they have every few months?
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    if youve never played the game, how would you know content justifies the cost?
    Possibly by playing the free trial? If you like it, you pick up the basic boxed set and get a month of play. You could even look at some of the streaming that people do and decide if it looks interesting.
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    As they mentioned in the post which announced the increase in Stirling prices...They feel their prices best reflect the entertainment value of the service / product one is paying for (paraphrased).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarthan View Post
    Better question is why do we wait a year for new content when we pay this much. The answer is blizzard no longer cares about games. They care about money.
    Then unsub, simple as that. If you blurt out hipster comments saying "zomg blizz doesn't care about games anymore GG you fail" then you can't provide constructive feedback anymore.

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    I can only speak for myself , But when I get immersed in an MMO I tend not to play too much else.

    Therefore the cost over time factor makes it worthwhile. Especially when I'm not purchasing new games.
    Also , In my area (UK) I have seen the battle-chest go down to a little as 5 pounds.

  16. #136
    A lot of people seem REALLY angry in this thread for some reason and I'm not sure why. I'm not hating on Blizzard, not at all. If my posts came off as a slight to Blizzard, that wasn't intentional. I was merely trying to discuss the price difference between their product and those currently on the market.

    And, as some people keep trying to point out and tell me by telling me I'm a (loser, should die, a liar, whatever), the prices I reflected in my OP should have been more explained to talk about what it will cost people to play on Day 1 of WoD. Because you're all right, if they start today, they have at least 6 more months of the same content before WoD drops at all, so that can't be factored in on their immediate cost if they were to purchase the game today. But, if they wanna stay current, they're gonna have to buy it in 6mo anyway.

    But, the catch with all that is, as Blizzard has explained fully in their new "level 90" boost system, all previous content basically means nothing. So, there you go...

    In any case, discussing the expenses of WoW, especially in the manner that's been presented in this thread (which has been mostly civil by myself and others not on the pro-Blizzard side), shouldn't invoke nothing but hateful, passive-aggressive, and outright insulting responses, and I'm not sure why it has. It's actually kinda sad because it paints a REALLY poor view of the MMO-C community and the community that still plays the game with earnest.

    I mean, just because the expenses of WoW in this discussion don't align with your view of value or whatever, you go into a passive-aggressive rage and throw insults? Are you all 12 years old? Sorry, but this behavior deserves to be called out. The EU Player Thread (http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...-paid-services) is another good example. Kudos to those who can remain a human being while discussing such an issue on either side.

    Math being what it is, with WoD being the most current iteration of WoW (and Blizzard making it clear that content before whatever is current content is obsolete), starting it all on day 1 of WoD and playing for 6 months makes WoW more expensive than any MMO I've found. Even stretching the math to 1 year, WoW still comes out behind.
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    Haha, same logic my girlfriend uses. I always tell her:

    When u and a friend go for lunch, u spend aproximately 15 bucks. For what, 2.5h of funtime.
    I spend 15 bucks a month, and i get atleast 40 hours of fun time out of it. Ur fun per hour costs 7,50. Mine costs 0,35.

    It all comes down to how much are u spending vs how much u get in return. I do agree that a game like FIFA will make u spend shitton of hours aswell, for just 60 bucks. But in the end, i will only play Fifa for a year while a WoW expansion often lasts 2 years. Besides that, FIFA will deteriate after a year, caus everyone will be buying the next 1. So the game will be in the drawer. WoW, i can boot up and deinstall whenever i want.

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