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  1. #1021
    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    a threat is perceived it is subjective if that old man still considered them a threat even after being shot he had the right for his own perceived safety to eliminate that threat
    No stand your ground law. There has to actually be a threat, not just the perception of one. A teenage girl lying on the floor dying of multiple gun shots to the chest is not a threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    a threat is perceived it is subjective if that old man still considered them a threat even after being shot he had the right for his own perceived safety to eliminate that threat
    We just went through this again like two pages ago. There's no reasonable way to construe his behavior as an attempt at self-defense. He clearly went above and beyond any reasonable right to self-defense he had in the manner in which he killed them. Of course if any of you would like to explain exactly how APPROACHING THIS DANGEROUS HOME INVADER to finish her off instead of shooting her from a distance is somehow a rational self-defense strategy, I'm all ears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonidas View Post
    In all seriousness, let's agree to disagree.
    There's no reason to agree to disagree. This guy screwed the pooch from start to finish. In theory, it shouldn't even be difficult to get away with murdering someone as an end result of self-defense, but he fucked himself by recording it.

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    Molon Labe? Come and take them? Hop to it.
    I'm not interested in taking guns away, except from people convicted of violent crimes as previously mentioned.

  3. #1023
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    No stand your ground law. There has to actually be a threat, not just the perception of one. A teenage girl lying on the floor dying of multiple gun shots to the chest is not a threat.
    did he now she was dyeing is he a doctor? you and other are elaborating on the story so to fit your narrative

  4. #1024
    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    did he now she was dyeing is he a doctor? you and other are elaborating on the story so to fit your narrative
    She had gun shot wounds to the chest and was struggling to breath. I'm assuming this is the fading remnants of your argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    did he now she was dyeing is he a doctor? you and other are elaborating on the story so to fit your narrative
    Yeah, I'm sure those two shots to the chest just fazed her In fact they probably only made her angrier. No wait, that's bears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowmelded View Post
    Yeah, I'm sure those two shots to the chest just fazed her
    She could walk them off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    did he now she was dyeing is he a doctor? you and other are elaborating on the story so to fit your narrative
    You're fucking kidding me, right? If you don't know how well people respond to multiple bullet holes in their body, I really don't think you have enough intelligence own anything that might be used to kill someone, much less something designed to kill someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nixx View Post
    You're fucking kidding me, right? If you don't know how well people respond to multiple bullet holes in their body, I really don't think you have enough intelligence own anything that might be used to kill someone, much less something designed to kill someone.
    I'm more concerned about his ignorance of what self defense laws allow people to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    I'm more concerned about his ignorance of what self defense laws allow people to do.
    I'm not really sure why lethal force is limited to self-defense inside the home. My neighbor has been giving me nasty looks all week and I think I saw something that looked like a gun go into his house once. Personally, I feel like my life is in danger...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    did he now she was dyeing is he a doctor? you and other are elaborating on the story so to fit your narrative
    Are you ignoring the story to fit your agenda? I'm quite positive that two bullet wounds to the chest, incapacitated her. If you don't feel like reading the statements made by his own admission, then why do you even bother to comment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nixx View Post
    I'm not really sure why lethal force is limited to self-defense inside the home. My neighbor has been giving me nasty looks all week and I think I saw something that looked like a gun go into his house once. Personally, I feel like my life is in danger...
    Kill or be killed!!!

  11. #1031
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Leave when she was lying on the floor gasping for breath instead of dragging her body around and then murdering her?



    No stand your ground laws in his state. He only gets to defend himself.
    did I miss something in the reported story were was it in the atrical she was gasping for breath? were did it say he dragged her body around
    if there is more to the story then what was provided in the OP link I would love to read it
    if not your just making crap up to fit your narrative

  12. #1032
    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    did I miss something in the reported story were was it in the atrical she was gasping for breath? were did it say he dragged her body around
    if there is more to the story then what was provided in the OP link I would love to read it
    if not your just making crap up to fit your narrative
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz303Rw9cFA

    'If you're trying to shoot somebody and they laugh at you, you go again,' Smith, 64, told investigators, according to a criminal complaint filed Monday.
    He then shot her several times in the chest with a .22-caliber revolver, dragged her next to her cousin, and with as she gasped for air, fired a shot under her chin 'up into the cranium'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    did I miss something in the reported story were was it in the atrical she was gasping for breath? were did it say he dragged her body around
    if there is more to the story then what was provided in the OP link I would love to read it
    if not your just making crap up to fit your narrative
    Is it too much to ask that people read the last few pages before jumping in? We seriously just went over this a page or two ago.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz303Rw9cFA
    http://www.startribune.com/local/256850851.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nixx View Post
    There's no reason to agree to disagree. This guy screwed the pooch from start to finish. In theory, it shouldn't even be difficult to get away with murdering someone as an end result of self-defense, but he fucked himself by recording it.
    /sigh
    Spoken like someone that only reads the small part of the post that they want to read... Missing the point entirely.

    I hope you know that I wasn't even referring to your one-track assault on that other guy that you've been arguing with for... oh, how long now? It doesn't matter.


    Please don't quote me if you are too blinded by your e-rage to read an entire post.

  15. #1035
    Quote Originally Posted by Stop Pretending View Post
    Are you ignoring the story to fit your agenda? I'm quite positive that two bullet wounds to the chest, incapacitated her. If you don't feel like reading the statements made by his own admission, then why do you even bother to comment?

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    Kill or be killed!!!
    not ignoring the story in the OP link read it twice nothing about either of them lying on the floor gasping for breath nothing about him walking up to them nothing about dragging any of them around
    now if there is more information please provided it would love to read it

  16. #1036
    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    did I miss something in the reported story were was it in the atrical she was gasping for breath? were did it say he dragged her body around
    if there is more to the story then what was provided in the OP link I would love to read it
    if not your just making crap up to fit your narrative
    Yes, you missed all the parts you claimed didn't happen.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-basement.html

    Consider yourself informed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonidas View Post
    /sigh
    Spoken like someone that only reads the small part of the post that they want to read... Missing the point entirely.

    I hope you know that I wasn't even referring to your one-track assault on that other guy that you've been arguing with for... oh, how long now? It doesn't matter.


    Please don't quote me if you are too blinded by your e-rage to read an entire post.
    I read the entire post. I quoted and responded to the part I thought was most important/wrong. I'm not sure why you assume there's rage involved. That's pretty much always a bad assumption on the internet, where you can't actually observe emotional states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    did I miss something in the reported story were was it in the atrical she was gasping for breath? were did it say he dragged her body around
    if there is more to the story then what was provided in the OP link I would love to read it
    if not your just making crap up to fit your narrative
    A 15-minute clip of the shooting includes the sounds of the teens getting gunned down and Smith dragging their bodies in a tarp to keep their blood from staining his carpet.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.1767305

    he felt safe enough to physically touch the girl and drag her from the stairs to the middle of the floor with her cousin.
    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...th-murder?lite

    Those were the first two articles in my search.

  19. #1039
    Man its fucking crickets as soon as these people actually read about the story.
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  20. #1040
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Man its fucking crickets as soon as these people actually read about the story.
    Pretty anticlimactic alright.

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