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  1. #281
    This wall of text just to tell us that they weren't able to develop good content designed around flying mounts, the very concept of flying mount as been developed just as a mean to skip something intested of a thing that add another dimension to content

  2. #282
    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
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    It's amazing how angry you are over something that makes almost no difference to the game.

    You know they aren't removing any of your flying mounts yeah?
    Oh no, I'm not angry. I was angry, then seething, now I'm just looking incredulously at a set of vague, irrelevant lawyer-speak that, in essence, tells me they don't really give a shit about people's opinions on the matter, and just say "you'll do what we want".

    If this were a single-player offline game, they'd be in their right to make a game conform to their vision, I'd also be in my right not to buy said game. As it stands, this is a player-driven game, but let's just ignore that for now.

    The mounts themselves are irrelevant. It's removing their true use from all future "current" content that irks me. I don't care to use a giant dragon and crawl on it's belly while being dazed by everything in sight.

    I could go on and on about how completely unimportant their wishes are to many people, but I just can't be bothered. I've played this game for 8 years, and would have continued just out of boredom with everything else, but there was a straw, and a camel, and now there's a pile of broken biomass lying on the ground, and I'm just tired of it all.
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  3. #283
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayla View Post
    So every 3 months we are getting a new store mount or RAF? Fucking hell. Maybe its time to quit wow.

    My money can best be spent elsewhere than on a stupid fucking game that keeps throwing the things I love into the store.
    Because WoW is all about mounts, right ?

  4. #284

    lol?

    Quote Originally Posted by RippedLife View Post
    what the fuck are they doing, 100% sure this cost us another raid tier.
    another kiddo

  5. #285
    Quote Originally Posted by Kuragalolz View Post
    Because WoW is all about mounts, right ?
    You'd be surprised. Also pets, and gear models.

  6. #286
    calling it.

    It will be a reward for having 100 friends on battle.net

  7. #287
    Quote Originally Posted by Ærion View Post
    I don't have fun in wow past the initial leveling experience of a new expansion, when everything is new and interesting for a few days.
    Then one could argue the impact of flying mounts beyond 100 is of no matter to you, since either way you're unhappy the result is the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ærion View Post
    I don't care to be grounded when I just want to spend a few hours farming some mats, or *gasp* doing archaeology (NEVER ON GROUND MOUNTS, NEVER EVER EVER) while listening to a book and just shutting down my mind for a while.
    You're saying you'll do archaeology "NEVER ON GROUND MOUNTS, NEVER EVER EVER" on the basis of how archaeology has been designed (with flying in mind), with archaeology being designed for ground based mounts maybe it won't be a matter of hoping from one side of the zone to the other through dense jungle but instead from one area to the next one over. Ironically to your argument archaeology is one of the few things that should improve massively if it's no longer a 5 minute flight between areas and instead a 2 minute mount run.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ærion View Post
    Well that fucking does it. I've been suckered (baited really) into buying the expansion, because of a goddamn flying mount of all things. I'll play it till cap with one character, then I'm done with wow.
    See you in patch 6.1

    Quote Originally Posted by Ærion View Post
    Oh no, I'm not angry. I was angry, then seething, now I'm just looking incredulously at a set of vague, irrelevant lawyer-speak
    If you think it's lawyer-speak then I'd hazard a guess to say you don't work in any time critical or IT based area at all.

    For example there might be an outage, a router goes offline, the people affected might ask: Do you have an ETA of how long until it's back up?

    This isn't maintenance so I effectively have no ETA beyond ASAP, it might be 5 minutes or it might be a week depending on how deep the problem is, so when I say 'we're working as hard as possible to get the site back up and running, we have no ETA at this time', you might see that as lawyer-speak, reality is that I've not got a stop watch counting down the time until the issue magically fixes itself.

    In this case Blizzard are saying they're going to trial it, they will gauge the reaction of the masses and if the masses turn off ala Cata they will likely turn flying back on later in the expansion depending on how soon the content they've designed can handle it, if the masses don't have a problem with it or they find people actually enjoy it, there's a good chance it may stay off for longer.
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  8. #288
    Quote Originally Posted by Ærion View Post
    Oh no, I'm not angry. I was angry, then seething, now I'm just looking incredulously at a set of vague, irrelevant lawyer-speak that, in essence, tells me they don't really give a shit about people's opinions on the matter, and just say "you'll do what we want".

    If this were a single-player offline game, they'd be in their right to make a game conform to their vision, I'd also be in my right not to buy said game. As it stands, this is a player-driven game, but let's just ignore that for now.

    The mounts themselves are irrelevant. It's removing their true use from all future "current" content that irks me. I don't care to use a giant dragon and crawl on it's belly while being dazed by everything in sight.

    I could go on and on about how completely unimportant their wishes are to many people, but I just can't be bothered. I've played this game for 8 years, and would have continued just out of boredom with everything else, but there was a straw, and a camel, and now there's a pile of broken biomass lying on the ground, and I'm just tired of it all.
    But you do realize that your opinion on the matter, and those like it, are merely one side of the debate? Do you not understand that players on the other side have have been campaigning for the removal of flying mounts, and/or voicing their concerns over what they did to the game for quite some time?

    You're correct. This is a Player driven game, and yes, Blizzard do give 2 shit's about players opinions, however, it is quite literally impossible to please everyone. There's always 2 sides to every coin, and as such, any changes to this game will effect both sides. One positive, the other negative.

    You're on the pissed off side this time round, and are free to voice your opinion, add to the debate, and if you so chose, quit the game. But don't act like Blizzard are doing this just to spite you and other who share your opinion. A lot of us are quite happy about the change, or atleast excited for "what might be" (especially after the recent Blue post), so maybe, perhaps maybe, Blizzard did listen to players concerns, they just didn't listen to yours.

    And lets not forget, people prefer to bitch more than they praise, so it's no surprise these forums are always full of bitching
    Last edited by Dakara; 2014-04-26 at 11:48 AM.

  9. #289
    Quote Originally Posted by Facepalmer3 View Post
    Ah shit! I don't have friends...
    Buy another WoW and recruite yourself. Just a matter of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuragalolz View Post
    Because WoW is all about mounts, right ?
    For mount collectors it's a major part, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garkanh View Post
    calling it.
    It will be a reward for having 100 friends on battle.net
    So everyone who is using oQ?
    Originally Posted by Lore (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
    I just also know that it's better to not expect much and be pleasantly surprised, than to feel like a promise was broken.
    Blizzard's new slogan: Don't expect much

  10. #290
    YIIIPPPEEEEE! I can't gather my herb but at least I get 3 Silver and some grey mace

  11. #291
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    So... wasnt RAF retired ? think there were a bluepost about removing RAF, since it didnt server a purpose anymore, because of the 90 boost ..?! or am i totally wrong here ?

  12. #292
    Quote Originally Posted by BlayZin View Post
    YIIIPPPEEEEE! I can't gather my herb but at least I get 3 Silver and some grey mace
    Why would you not be able to gather your herb? Herbalism has been in the game since beta, and I'm pretty certain people were collecting herbs prior to flying mounts.

  13. #293
    Quote Originally Posted by IKT View Post
    Then one could argue the impact of flying mounts beyond 100 is of no matter to you, since either way you're unhappy the result is the same.
    It's a theme park, there's always something to do. Reputations to top off, mounts to hunt (.......), gear models to get. But that's the thing, it's something to do, not necessarily fun. And everything I do is directly influenced by "flying mounts" at level cap.
    Quote Originally Posted by IKT View Post
    You're saying you'll do archaeology "NEVER ON GROUND MOUNTS, NEVER EVER EVER" on the basis of how archaeology has been designed (with flying in mind), with archaeology being designed for ground based mounts maybe it won't be a matter of hoping from one side of the zone to the other through dense jungle but instead from one area to the next one over. Ironically to your argument archaeology is one of the few things that should improve massively if it's no longer a 5 minute flight between areas and instead a 2 minute mount run.
    Never count on Blizzard to correct bad design decisions, it will always end in tears. I cannot see them ever changing an entire profession and make it behave logically because of a brain-fart decision.
    Quote Originally Posted by IKT View Post
    See you in patch 6.1
    Absolutely, if they get their shit together and scrap the whole thing. If it's more like Isle of Thunder, I'll pass. I've skipped that tier in MoP as well, only returning for SoO and flash-gearing alts.

  14. #294
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    As long as everyone gets grounded or everyone gets flying it doesn't matter, if it's even playing grounds then it's not a problem. Is it a potential step back in terms of quality of life? Yes. But that doesn't mean that it'll make the game worse, it means that you have to play a bit more to do things and that's good.

  15. #295
    Quote Originally Posted by Garkanh View Post
    calling it.

    It will be a reward for having 100 friends on battle.net
    This makes no sense, it brings 0 revenue for Blizzard.
    It's going to be some Recruit a friend/Scroll of Rez bullshit to make people play/buy new accounts during this inbetween expansions, 0 content period.
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  16. #296
    Quote Originally Posted by Dakara View Post
    But you do realize that your opinion on the matter, and those like it, are merely one side of the debate? Do you not understand that players on the other side have have been campaigning for the removal of flying mounts, and/or voicing their concerns over what they did to the game for quite some time?
    I absolutely understand there are 2 sides here. But this whole matter should not have been a binary decision. This is not a black/white problem. The people that have campaigned for the death of flight have always been in a minority (vocal majority though), so it is astounding that they've decided to change this NOW. I am convinced it's the old guard back in the dev team swinging their dicks around giving orders... or some similar behind the scenes thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dakara View Post
    ou're correct. This is a Player driven game, and yes, Blizzard do give 2 shit's about players opinions, however, it is quite literally impossible to please everyone. There's always 2 sides to every coin, and as such, any changes to this game will effect both sides. One positive, the other negative.
    Again, this should not have been a binary change.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dakara View Post
    You're on the pissed off side this time round, and are free to voice your opinion, add to the debate, and if you so chose, quit the game. But don't act like Blizzard are doing this just to spite you and other who share your opinion. A lot of us are quite happy about the change, or atleast excited for "what might be" (especially after the recent Blue post), so maybe, perhaps maybe, Blizzard did listen to players concerns, they just didn't listen to yours.

    And lets not forget, people prefer to bitch more than they praise, so it's no surprise these forums are always full of bitching
    Absolutely, and as I've mentioned, after consuming the leveling experience I'm out; unless the beta testing reveals some enlightening results to them. If it turns out that, indeed, the majority likes limited mobility, then by all means enjoy yourselves, all the power to you.

    Besides the delightfully responsive character control and flying mounts, wow is really just a bog standard mmo, albeit with an expert team behind it. So sticking around when there are alternatives seems fruitless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RippedLife View Post
    what the fuck are they doing, 100% sure this cost us another raid tier.
    i literally laughed out hard.

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    Well, in their fortress example "flying" could be easily substituted with "stealth". Does this mean they are removing this mechaincs from rogues and druids in WoD? One would logically assume so, because it does exactly the same "wrong" thing as flying...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kryos View Post

    So everyone who is using oQ?
    You don't clean out the oQ friends every time you shut the addon down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirra View Post
    Well, in their fortress example "flying" could be easily substituted with "stealth". Does this mean they are removing this mechaincs from rogues and druids in WoD? One would logically assume so, because it does exactly the same "wrong" thing as flying...
    What are you doing with mobs that see you regardless?
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  20. #300
    Well my account is unsubbed just now and if they don't confirm flying mounts for cap or moving forward very soon after release I think I'm not coming back. This expansion is not impressive, I'm a very keen fan of the world and its games, art and stories. I feel this expansion is big let down

    This is just another bit on top of the other stuff that is finally turning me away, its not that I've found another MMO to play. I just dont want to sink more time than I have to, let face it folks there is few things in our lives that we cant get back.

    Our time living is short, some would say gaming isn't using it smartly but if you do... it better be a good game for it.

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