According to the interview, they have wiped around 20 times. They probably had the best items, but it CANNOT compensate for 25 averagely geared people. It is not logical.
I mean, why would i take the raidleaders serious, when they ask in tradechat for 550 people and full group(sometimes to FLEX mode), when 5 good players gets the job done?
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EDIT: By "way stronger" I mean to the tune of twice as much DPS from ~550 with no cloak and meta to 575 with cloak and meta.
Agree with Drathos. And even with a parse it is hard to evaluate someone on garrosh.
jugement based on ilvl ?
-> a guy with high ilvl might not follow strat, not do big dps
-> a guy with low ilvl for the context might do enough dps (and 220k dps ST on garrosh is far enough to kill him quickly)
jugement based on xp ? (from wow armory)
-> a guys with one or two down might have been PL, and could mess up. The more down the better, but you filter out a lot of guys with this selection.
-> in particular you might filter out a guy which have tried a lot of time on him, that perfectly know his role
jugement based on dps ? (from epeenbot for example)
-> a guy with high dps (350k+) might have more than half his damage on P1 adds, so it means he had only 175k effective dps. I've witnessed that several times. He might also not switch to MC, which is even worse.
-> you won't know for a guys with no down of garrosh or no parse
jugement based on MC cut ? (require WoL analysis)
-> if you are in a great group, with lot of dps, you will need a grant total of 2 counterspells (for the empowered MC in phase 3). 8 or 9 guys of the roster won't have to counterspell.
From my experience of garrosh in random pugs i joined (~8 down, countless failed groups), you kill it when the group is 565+. Even a group of 560 guys do not work most of the time. Was it because the raidleader was lenient and invited only based on ilvl ? maybe. Was it because these day everybody is in a hurry, and leave after one wipe (or even before the wipe) ? maybe.
Leaving a pug after 3-4 wipes is perfectly acceptable (from my PoV) when you see the raidleader not doing his role (analyzing what's happening, explaining the issues, removing underperforming dudes, etc..), but after one wipe, before even seeing the RL reaction, it is a bit a waste of everyone's time.
So my conclusion :
Do the rest of the instance until you are more geared (that's still 13 bosses). At 550 ilvl, there a lot of upgrades available on those. One day you'll reach a ilvl high enough to get in good pug groups
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two deathknights, one has the cape. one doesn't.
Who do you take? lemme know.
Oh, and no raider should even entertain the idea that a free legendary is a good idea, even blizzard agrees it was a bad idea.
All raiders agree we shouldnt have to do LFR. but when the cloak comes around. then we all turn into elitist jerks.
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unless you're a tank
I was in a similar situation initially. I quit playing when ToT came out, regeared my monk, then leveled my Druid to 90 to play as Resto instead. Unfortunately, this meant my gear level was quite low. Now, I've played Druid for quite a few expansions, so I was confident in my ability to quickly pick up the class and heal admirably. I began gearing it on the side while raiding on my Brewmaster monk. Finally after some drastic roster changes in my first guild, I was able to convince my raid leader to bring my Druid to raid with our 11/14 N Mode guild. I was at an item level of 525 at that point. I pulled admirable healing (I have logs, if anyone's curious as to what I was doing to pull that kind of healing) and I quickly geared running these normal modes. However, due to some conflict, I left my guild at ilevel 538. I found a guild looking for a healer desperately for it's Heroic runs, and lied about my item level, saying I was 540. I'll pause for a second to say I have a pretty impressive pedigree of raiding experience, having had guilds like Blood Legion, Encore, and Raiding Rainbows under my name. This was during Cataclysm and Wrath however. But, due to this list of guilds, it was enough to get a trial for a heroic guild at ilevel 538. RNGesus helped me out and tossed me quite a few bones that raid, gearing me in several pieces of heroic gear and a piece of heroic warforged gear in my first two weeks of raiding. By my third week, my item level had jumped nearly 20. Despite that, I'm still only 553. My healing, however, is incredibly competitive compared to the 560+ healers of the team.
It all comes down to your ability to perform, to show you can perform, and to be confident in your ability. I was scared shitless of going into a heroic raid at item level 538 and blowing my only shot at a trial. But multiple comments were made about my ability to react quickly to multiple situations, and execute boss mechanics consistently without failure. My few deaths were attributed to a small health pool (~200k behind the other healers.) The take-away from this entire thing should be that you should be confident in your raiding ability, and ready to prove it. I've had the luxury of having certain guilds proving I've healed on the top end, but even without this, you should be able to find a break sometime.
How about the rest of us that were in decent US top 50/100 guilds but which weren't well known enough to name-drop, aren't willing to tell stories about our gear, and feel like joining a guild is a commitment, not just a place to grab gear?
The real kicker is being 1 ilevel lower than the requirement and you have beaten that boss before, are a very good raider, have excellent raid awareness and still can't get the group that can roll the boss over.
That and the last time I joined a pug group that did one shot the boss the raid leader kicked everyone and ninja'd the loot, which according to Blizzard he can do because he never promised to dispense loot in any way and he can dispense it any way he or she chooses.
Seems like a lot of this frustration comes from OQ. People need to suggest the ability to set a comment when you join a wait list for a group. If someone said they did 200k dps and were 11/14H xp then I'd easily take them over someone 10 ilvls higher. Of course they could lie, but I doubt it'd be a huge problem considering how fast you'd get booted after the first pull. I made a garrosh pug last week and tried to look up the people I was inviting on raidbots' epeenbot while only low ilvl people were in queue. Sadly I only found logs for 1 person and they were terrible. There just isn't a way to judge people xserver most of the time, and that sucks. Having an in game log record/ranking system like logging sites would be nice for reasons like this. I can see a lot bad things that might come with it though, so I won't try to push that too much.