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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Lei Shi View Post
    Skada is highly inaccurate, don't use that crap.
    Wonderful depth of insight there.
    Skada isn't really any more or less accurate than recount, just often called so for no reason other than it having different numbers.
    But hardly anyone wants to look into WHY the numbers are different.
    Different definitions of DPS, since there is no official or agreed upon standard to which we should be adhering.
    Recount became the "de-facto" standard due to being the first to offer a good toolkit and unlike most continued to be updated, much like how people still recommend Quartz or Pitbull.
    Recount offers more tools than Skada, but no meter should be used as a ranking against other players without a good look at more than a single number.
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    pets merged, range issues and the elephant in the room: bad dps = aoeing when not using that strat etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eekumpokeum View Post
    Hey all, so I have been having this issue between Recount and Skada. I use Recount. Love it. Last night on Garrosh I was pushing 320k, so my meters told me. Other people in raid were saying I was doing bad dps, which I thought jokingly as I was consistently number 1 and 2. I whispered one of my buddies to tell me what he had me as, and he said 286k dps. He uses Skada. Thats a pretty big difference and I wanted to know, why was his Skada showing me with way less DPS? Is one or the other super inaccurate? Let me know. Thanks

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Mozez View Post
    Recount shows the dps you did whilst active, meaning if you stop attacking for a minute your dps won't go down. Skada takes your total damage and divides it by the fight length, so this shows your actual damage per second over the fight. I use recount personally and always have it on the damage done option so that I can see how much damage I've done in comparison to other people, as opposed to damage per second. Due to all this if you die on recount your dps stays what it was at death, whereas skada your dps continues to go down until the fight is finished.
    Close but not 100% accurate, recount does not stop calculating damage on death, it stops calculating damage when you stop doing damage. If you have dot's on the boss then recount will continue to calculate even after your death, until your dots fall off thus slowly dropping your dps after your dead until your dots finish.

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    As has been stated several times, DPS is calculated differently between the two addons. I personally go by overall damage done rather than DPS.
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  5. #25
    If you are a serious raider you will want to use Skada.

    Skada measures effective DPS (damage done divided by fight length), which is the standard of all external analysis tools such as WoL and Warcraftlogs. This makes it so you can compare yourself to other people of your class, and the dps data you are getting from Skada carries over more meaning outside of your own raid. If I'm talking about a fight and mention that this or that class does 300k dps, other raiders will instantly assume the DPS number I am talking about is the standard type of dps used on every analytics tool out there, ie, 'Skada dps'.

    Recount measures DPS while active, which will give you skewed numbers when you are trying to compare your performance with others and/or your own previous logs.

    They are both accurate as far as reading the combat log goes, they just measure different things. And what skada measures is by far the most useful if you are interested in analyzing your raid performance (which is what a dps meter is for in the first place)

    Skada also uses less resources, which is a huge plus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mew View Post
    If you are a serious raider you will want to use Skada.

    Skada measures effective DPS (damage done divided by fight length), which is the standard of all external analysis tools such as WoL and Warcraftlogs. This makes it so you can compare yourself to other people of your class, and the dps data you are getting from Skada carries over more meaning outside of your own raid. If I'm talking about a fight and mention that this or that class does 300k dps, other raiders will instantly assume the DPS number I am talking about is the standard type of dps used on every analytics tool out there, ie, 'Skada dps'.

    Recount measures DPS while active, which will give you skewed numbers when you are trying to compare your performance with others and/or your own previous logs.

    They are both accurate as far as reading the combat log goes, they just measure different things. And what skada measures is by far the most useful if you are interested in analyzing your raid performance (which is what a dps meter is for in the first place)

    Skada also uses less resources, which is a huge plus.
    Using less rescources is not really a plus because using more is not necessarily causing any issue or disadvantage, no loss of fps caused, no lag issues, no ui bugs or freezing, there is no disadvantage to it, not in my case. Recount still uses only a small ammount of memoy. Skada using less is the kind of "advantage" that is neither here nor there, it doesn't matter at all, it makes absolutely no difference for the majority of people.

    As for "if you're a serious raider you will want to use Skada"

    That doesn't make any sense either, if you're a serious raider you will be checking your logs on some parsing website like World of Logs, where it will show both dps values, as you would see in Recount and as you would see in Skada. Though ultimately dps parses are not even that important, they are primarily a "look at the size of my e-wang", and I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that, I've taken part in that plenty myself.

    But lets not try to throw around that "if you're serious, you will use my preferred addon" as if there is some advantage to be had. They both do the exact same thing, they read the combat log and post the exact same results... The only difference being the philosophy on showing the DPS figure from that data, both of which have equal merit depending on the situation, and both of which are completely irrelevant compared to the value that matters "damage done".
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    On Skada there are options you can choose to make it behave however you want.

    Like "aggressive combat detection" and "only keep boss fights." You can also quickly change from total damage, damage per fight, healing, and so much more just by right clicking the meter. Really, Skada is like someone took Recount and gave it a bunch of useful tweaks and different modes. You just can't be afraid of opening the options and looking around a bit.

    I was even able to make my Skada meter appear like it was made by Blizzard and came with the game by using the customization options.

    Recount's pie charts are all it has going for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mew View Post
    If you are a serious raider you will want to use Skada.

    Skada measures effective DPS (damage done divided by fight length), which is the standard of all external analysis tools such as WoL and Warcraftlogs. This makes it so you can compare yourself to other people of your class, and the dps data you are getting from Skada carries over more meaning outside of your own raid. If I'm talking about a fight and mention that this or that class does 300k dps, other raiders will instantly assume the DPS number I am talking about is the standard type of dps used on every analytics tool out there, ie, 'Skada dps'.

    Recount measures DPS while active, which will give you skewed numbers when you are trying to compare your performance with others and/or your own previous logs.

    They are both accurate as far as reading the combat log goes, they just measure different things. And what skada measures is by far the most useful if you are interested in analyzing your raid performance (which is what a dps meter is for in the first place)

    Skada also uses less resources, which is a huge plus.
    If you really were serious you would just use live logging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiju View Post
    If you really were serious you would just use live logging.
    This person speaks the truth! There is Details! which I just dropped skada for it shows a hell of alot more well detail

    EDIT warcraftlogs>world of logs just saying.
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    Used both. In the past before there was Skada i mostly used Recount. Using Skada from ~half MOP and prefer it. Having many windows for healing, DPS etc at the same time is also a +.

    For in-depth analysis i upload logs to WOL.
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    Psh, use Details, wrecks both Skada and Recount in terms of accuracy and functionality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiju View Post
    If you really were serious you would just use live logging.
    Every serious raiding guild already live logs. You use an in game damage meter to analyze your performance in-game on the fly in a convenient way. Logs are for post raid analysis, Skada is for mid raid analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mew View Post
    Every serious raiding guild already live logs. You use an in game damage meter to analyze your performance in-game on the fly in a convenient way. Logs are for post raid analysis, Skada is for mid raid analysis.
    As is recount, that's the point. There is no advantage to using skada over recount other than personal preference.
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