Would you be open to a darker themed WoW?

[greysaber]

OP, i don't think you understand what 'dark' means, when referring to media (games, books, films, etc).

I think the word you're looking for is 'sleazy'.

WoW is extremely dark. The only reason people don't really notice it is, most people skip quest text/stories, and the humorous aspects/quests are remembered more. also the bright cartoony artwork tends to make people think it's more tame than it really is.

The lore behind naxx/icecrown/icc alone would make most peoples' skin crawl and stomachs turn if it were a darker setting or more realistic. if they rated games on story/lore alone, WoW would be at least rated M, possibly A.

[Grogo]

OP, i don't think you understand what 'dark' means, when referring to media (games, books, films, etc).

I think the word you're looking for is 'sleazy'.

WoW is extremely dark. The only reason people don't really notice it is, most people skip quest text/stories, and the humorous aspects/quests are remembered more. also the bright cartoony artwork tends to make people think it's more tame than it really is.

The lore behind naxx/icecrown/icc alone would make most peoples' skin crawl and stomachs turn if it were a darker setting or more realistic. if they rated games on story/lore alone, WoW would be at least rated M, possibly A.

Yeah whatever. Just some ideas, I am not responsible for fucking implementing shit, Jesus. Any way, Casino could be considered dark, gore definitely is. Question is, do you guys want a darker WoW? If you do, then fuck my ideas, give me some of yours. it's like pulling teeth.

[clevin]

Yeah whatever. Just some ideas, I am not responsible for fucking implementing shit, Jesus. Any way, Casino could be considered dark, gore definitely is. Question is, do you guys want a darker WoW? If you do, then fuck my ideas, give me some of yours. it's like pulling teeth.

You're missing the point. WoW *IS* dark. Undead roaming around, threatening the world? Demons trying to conquer a world torn apart by magic? Insane old gods trying to corrupt others and drive them mad? A powerful Aspect doing their bidding? A crazed warchief on the rampage? Next to this a casino isn't dark, it's kiddy playtime. More visible gore? That impresses teens, but it's graphic, not dark.

[Rainsorrow]

like the entire twilight highlands wasnt gorish enough (sick of the dragon killing tbh)

[Deleted]

Things I would like to see added as content:

1. Gambling / Casino for a gold sink. Dice and card games.

2. More gore. We have a setting for language, add one for gore and step it up a bit. The odd beheading or gout of blood never hurt any one.

3. Remove alliance / horde barriers. We should all be able to raid together. Want to be evil or good? Give us reasons and content to play either way. This also would alleviate servers ratios as this is becoming a huge issue.

4. Ever read "Ready Player 1" ? Add this concept in but at a way smaller level. A reason for groups to bind together against other groups to get something really epic.

5. Game conflict in-game is not a bad thing, generate more of that but NOT in a personal way, just in a game mechanic way.

Happy that you are just dreaming Bye

[Feel The Power]

I remember around when WoW first started out it was pretty common to see people advertising their own little gambling games going on. I forget after this long how it worked though, some kind of number game I believe it was. The GM's put a stop to it and banned it after a few months.

[NickCageFanatic]

Just play Diablo.
That is Blizzard's dark game not WoW, I'd be open to a darker themed expansion as in a Gothic themed expansion.

[Grogo]

I need to remind myself this when posting a thread:

Everyone will jump on a thread and explain how it can't be done.

Regardless of this thread and its content, that theme remains constant, people here will always jump on a thread stating how shit can't be done. There is a few that offer reasonable discussion but usually, all you see is negativity and hardly some good answers for discussion. This place is so full of Debbie Downers.

Any way, those that feel WoW is dark....really? It's dark? You guys would run away screaming playing actual dark games. I am not saying it has to be really dark, but Jesus....it has been feeling way too cutesy lately.

[bayushisan]

WoW does not need to be grimdark. In fact I utterly despise grimdark. It's why I don't have anything to with the Game of Thrones stuff.

World of Warcraft is escapist fantasy. It gets dark at times, but good triumphs over evil. The heroes prevail, and that's why so many people like it. That why we need it as it is. Escapism is good, it's healthy and there's nothing wrong with it as it is.

Stop trying to make everything hyper depressing. If that's what you want go play a different game.

[Bosen]

I also wanted to add, that Gambling itself wouldn't help WoW get any "Darker" in theme. I don't think that there should be a formal introduction to gambling within the World Of Warcraft, but I actually think it's a great idea for Casino machines and a seperate online Blizzard Gambling site. I would love to see Blizzard enter that arena, as Konami, Capcom, and some other household video game companies have in Casinos in America and elsewhere. Goblin themed slot machines? Yes please!!

[Deleted]

Things I would like to see added as content:

1. Gambling / Casino for a gold sink. Dice and card games.

Your idea is very interesting in general, so please forgive me for focusing on one aspect of
a very challenging and thought-provoking post.

I can speak with a position of some authority on the gambling issue because for almost
all of my adult life I have been entirely dependent on advantage gambling for a living,
card-counting, later online bonus hustling, sports betting stuff like that. I've had two
books published in the states one of which is considered the definitive text on the card
game in question.
I mention this not to show off (it is a tough career I would not recommend to anybody) but to
make it clear I'm not just sounding off randomly.

Gambling is a very evil thing. If people had any true conception of the monstrous amount
of misery it inflicts on society they would ban it outright. I cannot stress enough how much
I am opposed to the idea of encouraging gambling in wow. If I had the power to ban all
gambling tomorrow, even though that meant I would need to get a proper job, I'd do it.

IMHO Blizzard are treading extremely close to the line with the mysterious fortune cards,
which are scratch cards in all but name. If someone were to highlight that issue to politicians
they could get in serious trouble. If gambling were to be expanded formally that would
definitely happen.

Worse, if you formally encouraged gambling you would be looking at creating around half a
million compulsive gamblers out of wow's current player database. That would piss off everyone,
and Blizzard and the video gaming would face a barrage of negative publicity that would
make the gaming community pariahs for a generation.

Btw I actually like the idea of a darker-themed wow for adults. Fans of Torchwood know
how an adult spin-off can develop interesting themes too sinister for a programme with a large
audience of children.

[clevin]

I need to remind myself this when posting a thread:

Everyone will jump on a thread and explain how it can't be done.

Regardless of this thread and its content, that theme remains constant, people here will always jump on a thread stating how shit can't be done. There is a few that offer reasonable discussion but usually, all you see is negativity and hardly some good answers for discussion. This place is so full of Debbie Downers.

Any way, those that feel WoW is dark....really? It's dark? You guys would run away screaming playing actual dark games. I am not saying it has to be really dark, but Jesus....it has been feeling way too cutesy lately.

and i need to remember that the kids who post crap like this will always complain how no one understand them but never reply to any criticism in an intelligent fashion.

[Vargur]

Things I would like to see added as content:

1. Gambling / Casino for a gold sink. Dice and card games.

2. More gore. We have a setting for language, add one for gore and step it up a bit. The odd beheading or gout of blood never hurt any one.

3. Remove alliance / horde barriers. We should all be able to raid together. Want to be evil or good? Give us reasons and content to play either way. This also would alleviate servers ratios as this is becoming a huge issue.

4. Ever read "Ready Player 1" ? Add this concept in but at a way smaller level. A reason for groups to bind together against other groups to get something really epic.

5. Game conflict in-game is not a bad thing, generate more of that but NOT in a personal way, just in a game mechanic way.

I don't understand 4 and 5, but I agree with the first 3. GG.

[Grogo]

and i need to remember that the kids who post crap like this will always complain how no one understand them but never reply to any criticism in an intelligent fashion.

I rest my case.

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Your idea is very interesting in general, so please forgive me for focusing on one aspect of
a very challenging and thought-provoking post.

I can speak with a position of some authority on the gambling issue because for almost
all of my adult life I have been entirely dependent on advantage gambling for a living,
card-counting, later online bonus hustling, sports betting stuff like that. I've had two
books published in the states one of which is considered the definitive text on the card
game in question.
I mention this not to show off (it is a tough career I would recommend to anybody) but to
make it clear I'm not just sounding off randomly.

Gambling is a very evil thing. If people had any true conception of the monstrous amount
of misery it inflicts on society they would ban it outright. I cannot stress enough how much
I am opposed to the idea of encouraging gambling in wow. If I had the power to ban all
gambling tomorrow, even though that meant I would need to get a proper job, I'd do it.

IMHO Blizzard are treading extremely close to the line with the mysterious fortune cards,
which are scratch cards in all but name. If someone were to highlight that issue to politicians
they could get in serious trouble. If gambling were to be expanded formally that would
definitely happen.

Worse, if you formally encouraged gambling you would be looking at creating around half a
million compulsive gamblers out of wow's current player database. That would piss off everyone,
and Blizzard and the video gaming would face a barrage of negative publicity that would
make the gaming community pariahs for a generation.

Btw I actually like the idea of a darker-themed wow for adults. Fans of Torchwood know
how an adult spin-off can develop interesting themes too sinister for a programme with a large
audience of children.

I hear you man, I do but I will say, this is fake gold so think of it like a board game like Monopoly, which has fake money. Also, gambling (lotteries) and drinking alcohol will always be around because the vast majority do not have issues with it. You cant plan life around the off chance someone may abuse it.

I think it would be a good addition, and I am not the only who feels that way.

[Austilias]

I'd not mind at all. Hell, if I had my way the Draenei would be going full Protoss in WoD; and in doing so, they'd be conducting a genocidal crusade against the Orcs.

[Deleted]

I hear you man, I do but I will say, this is fake gold so think of it like a board game like Monopoly, which has fake money. Also, gambling (lotteries) and drinking alcohol will always be around because the vast majority do not have issues with it. You cant plan life around the off chance someone may abuse it.

You may possibly not be aware of the fact that actual online casinos use equivalents
of online monopoly money to bypass federal and other international money-laundering laws.

Wow gold can be exchanged for real money. I think the feds would put extreme pressure
on Blizzard if they went down that road. They have already on games like Second Life.

If it somehow could be done as you suggest, then I'd be all for it. But it would take a
much smarter man than me to figure out how to police it.

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Any way, those that feel WoW is dark....really? It's dark? You guys would run away screaming playing actual dark games. I am not saying it has to be really dark, but Jesus....it has been feeling way too cutesy lately.

It depends what you mean by dark. If you mean tons of gore and stuff, no it isn't that dark.
Personally I don't find that particulary disturbing.

There are what I would consider dark themes in wow. What happens to Bolvar is at least as sinister
as anything in the pantheon of Gothic literature. There are quests where you murder innocents, in
one case in front of their children. There is torture, rape etc. There are even occasional hints at
real-world atrocities such as concentration camps.

[Haven]

Yes please, a thousand times yes.

[HippopotamusMaximus]

After this current expansion, I don't think it could possibly get any lighter, so for the love of god, yes please.

Could we get scenes like these again in the game's storyline?

[The Iron Fist]

Yes, I am open to it. That's why I switched to TESO. Done. Nuff said.

[greysaber]

check out the story behind Thaddius in Naxx. It's crazy dark.