Page 1 of 2
1
2
LastLast
  1. #1

    $10,000 to see your kid's school records.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/13...-children-10g/

    So this Dad in Nevada wanted to know what sort of data they were collecting on his kids. He's given the school system trouble in the past as he leads a parent group against the common core.

    However, he has full legal right to know what's in his children's records. When he requested this data they told him it would cost over $10,000 in fees to make a readable printout for him. They claim there is no way currently implemented to be able to print out the records in a readable format and they would have to reprogram the system, which he would have to pay for.

    Whole thing seems pretty fishy to me.
    Is this where the header goes?

  2. #2
    I am Murloc! Zoaric's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    The United States of America, Rapture, or Orgrimmar
    Posts
    5,935
    It is Fox news...

    But that's just silly. Even if they can't print out the records, can they not screen capture
    and print, or email? Something is certainly amiss.
    Quote Originally Posted by Yvaelle View Post
    You can't fight porn on the internet, you may as well declare war on something overwhelming like water on Earth's surface - or something ephemeral like "terror" (lol sorry, had to do it) - or something both overwhelming and ephemeral... like porn on the internet.

  3. #3
    Merely a Setback Reeve's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX USA
    Posts
    28,800
    Quote Originally Posted by Orcbert View Post
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/13...-children-10g/

    So this Dad in Nevada wanted to know what sort of data they were collecting on his kids. He's given the school system trouble in the past as he leads a parent group against the common core.

    However, he has full legal right to know what's in his children's records. When he requested this data they told him it would cost over $10,000 in fees to make a readable printout for him. They claim there is no way currently implemented to be able to print out the records in a readable format and they would have to reprogram the system, which he would have to pay for.

    Whole thing seems pretty fishy to me.
    If it's in a visible system, they could just screenshot the records in question and send them to him. If it's not in a visible system, then they aren't keeping proper records.
    'Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
    Or a yawing hole in a battered head
    And the scuppers clogged with rotting red
    And there they lay I damn me eyes
    All lookouts clapped on Paradise
    All souls bound just contrarywise, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!

  4. #4
    Why have records you can't see or read in print.
    He should sue them for not keeping hard copies.
    "If you want to control people, if you want to feed them a pack of lies and dominate them, keep them ignorant. For me, literacy means freedom." - LaVar Burton.

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Zoaric View Post
    It is Fox news...

    But that's just silly. Even if they can't print out the records, can they not screen capture
    and print, or email? Something is certainly amiss.
    Can't disregard the problem because of the source. They have quotes from the state of Nevada trying to justify the price tag so the factual content isn't in question.
    Is this where the header goes?

  6. #6
    Warchief sizzlinsauce's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Bellforest, Tower state
    Posts
    2,188
    Quote Originally Posted by Tastyfish View Post
    Why have records you can't see or read in print.
    He should sue them for not keeping hard copies.
    its a bull faced lie so that he wont go into the trouble of getting his kids records, with how hard they are trying i would go for it, they have to be hiding something big to try this hard.

  7. #7
    If the system uses it's own file format and doesn't have a print feature, it's certainly plausible that it would take that much money to print the documents. However they could sit him down at a PC and give him access, or print screen the records and print those.

    Also, wtf is "the common core"?
    I don't think this matters nearly as much as you think it does.

  8. #8
    Warchief
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Ferndale, MI
    Posts
    2,161
    Who cares how much it costs? He wants them. They gave him a price. Ball is in his court.

  9. #9
    I am Murloc! Zoaric's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    The United States of America, Rapture, or Orgrimmar
    Posts
    5,935
    Quote Originally Posted by Orcbert View Post
    Can't disregard the problem because of the source. They have quotes from the state of Nevada trying to justify the price tag so the factual content isn't in question.
    Was being sarcastic. =/ We really need a font for it.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by zoefschildpad View Post
    If the system uses it's own file format and doesn't have a print feature, it's certainly plausible that it would take that much money to print the documents. However they could sit him down at a PC and give him access, or print screen the records and print those.

    Also, wtf is "the common core"?
    If I'm not mistaken, common core is a national minimum for schools to abide by when
    it comes to teaching their students. Though, it's kinda screwy imo...

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...66699033,d.aWw
    Quote Originally Posted by Yvaelle View Post
    You can't fight porn on the internet, you may as well declare war on something overwhelming like water on Earth's surface - or something ephemeral like "terror" (lol sorry, had to do it) - or something both overwhelming and ephemeral... like porn on the internet.

  10. #10
    Merely a Setback Reeve's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX USA
    Posts
    28,800
    Quote Originally Posted by Tastyfish View Post
    Why have records you can't see or read in print.
    He should sue them for not keeping hard copies.
    God no, hard copies need to go the way of the dinosaur. This should never be a thing again:

    'Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
    Or a yawing hole in a battered head
    And the scuppers clogged with rotting red
    And there they lay I damn me eyes
    All lookouts clapped on Paradise
    All souls bound just contrarywise, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!

  11. #11
    Sounds to be that they tried to be as cheap as possible and did not include that feature when they got the system. Why pay for something very few is going to use?

  12. #12
    It seems they aren't legally required to provide him with free copies. They are, however, legally required to provide him access to and review of his child's record.

    3DS Friend Code: 0146-9205-4817. Could show as either Chris or Chrysia.

  13. #13
    Void Lord Aeluron Lightsong's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    In some Sanctuaryesque place or a Haven
    Posts
    44,683
    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    God no, hard copies need to go the way of the dinosaur. This should never be a thing again:

    Now that's...my kind of office
    #TeamLegion #UnderEarthofAzerothexpansion plz #Arathor4Alliance #TeamNoBlueHorde

    Warrior-Magi

  14. #14
    Merely a Setback Reeve's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX USA
    Posts
    28,800
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Now that's...my kind of office
    Heh, you could replace that entire room with this:

    Of course you'd want to put it in a real datacenter so that you have redundancy and security and such, but still.
    'Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
    Or a yawing hole in a battered head
    And the scuppers clogged with rotting red
    And there they lay I damn me eyes
    All lookouts clapped on Paradise
    All souls bound just contrarywise, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!

  15. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by zoefschildpad View Post
    If the system uses it's own file format and doesn't have a print feature, it's certainly plausible that it would take that much money to print the documents. However they could sit him down at a PC and give him access, or print screen the records and print those.

    Also, wtf is "the common core"?
    A national set of education standards. It's the government's attempt to make sure that students across the nation are learning the same things. It has it's ups and downs. A lot of the goals revolve around passing standardized tests. Many teachers find the system very restrictive. They say the focus of reaching certain benchmarks prevents them from giving the students individual, meaningful education.

    The pro group points out that it keeps teachers across the nation working on the same standards. The goal is to keep all kids on the same level. Otherwise what one school is having it's third grade students work on another school system may not start until sixth grade. It was implemented to stop some school systems from falling between the cracks and simply making it easier to pass rather than trying to raise the students up to the rest of the nation.
    Is this where the header goes?

  16. #16
    10,000 seems a little steep for some paper copies. Worst case scenario an hour of administrative labour to find and copy the documents, at an average value of 13 dollars an hour, and maybe 50 cents worth of copy paper and electricity. Plus shipping.

  17. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrysia View Post
    It seems they aren't legally required to provide him with free copies. They are, however, legally required to provide him access to and review of his child's record.
    When I need to get a record from the government it's generally around 30 to 40 bucks. That's fair enough for the work they have to put in for filing the paperwork and printing it out. 10k is unreasonable. You should not have to be rich to see your kids records.
    Is this where the header goes?

  18. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Gheld View Post
    10,000 seems a little steep for some paper copies. Worst case scenario an hour of administrative labour to find and copy the documents, at an average value of 13 dollars an hour, and maybe 50 cents worth of copy paper and electricity. Plus shipping.
    It's apparently the formatting that is the issue. Somehow, all their records are stored in such a way that printing them directly from current format is "impossible" in any legible manner. Don't ask me how they managed it.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Orcbert View Post
    When I need to get a record from the government it's generally around 30 to 40 bucks. That's fair enough for the work they have to put in for filing the paperwork and printing it out. 10k is unreasonable. You should not have to be rich to see your kids records.
    He doesn't have to be rich to see them. He has to be rich to obtain a paper copy. If they refuse to allow him to see the records in person, then he has a case.

    3DS Friend Code: 0146-9205-4817. Could show as either Chris or Chrysia.

  19. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrysia View Post
    He doesn't have to be rich to see them. He has to be rich to obtain a paper copy. If they refuse to allow him to see the records in person, then he has a case.
    My other problem is they will only be charging the first parent who wants these records ten grand. They are putting the entire burden of fixing their system in the hands of the first person who wants these records.
    Is this where the header goes?

  20. #20
    Deleted
    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    God no, hard copies need to go the way of the dinosaur. This should never be a thing again:

    I shudder at the thought of reading trough all of that.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •