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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Blade View Post
    When you lack a cogent argument and evidence to support the claim, politics 101 says "play the race card".

    And when the Alliance kills a few scumbags in defense it's a big flippin deal. I'm all for the Alliance exterminating the Horde in a similar fashion, and actually succeeding, destroying their cities, homes, slaughtering random horde races and leaving their carcasses around zones to really make Horde players angry . Then the Horde can be the underdogs they so desire, the Alliance can be all those evil mean things the Horde players think they are, but alas they're the "good guys" instead of the opposing force. Alliance players get all that imagery in our zones, but told it's not how the Horde "really is", it's just Garrosh, and how we can't do anything as a show of force cause of little bitches like Anduin.
    I dont recall horde making a stink when people on our side get killed. i would employ you to do just that, Id love to see some vicious alliance offensive against horde. All I can say is....Its simple we kill the Anduin.
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    Why? Why should content be gated behind skill?
    14/14h and finally done

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolftech View Post
    I am crying a river with an unproven life story
    cry more....
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    Second, you are so blinded by your Horde fanaticism that you fail to see any truth but what you make up. The only one with flawed logic in that post is is you. Comparing Garrosh to Hitler is a legitimate comparison if you understand anything at all about history.
    Do you really see to fail that one is a game and one is reality? you dont seem to able to understand the difference between them do you?
    Quote Originally Posted by wolftech View Post
    You claim the Alliance is 'not so good' and then point out that the humans imprisoned Orcs. The same demon corrupted orcs who invaded from another planet via a magic portal for the express purpose of conquering and killing all the existing races on Azeroth.
    If you wanna argue with LORE please go and read some - by the time your "good" humans imprisoned the orcs the curse of the demonic blood was already done and over.
    Quote Originally Posted by wolftech View Post
    The humans granted them a kindness rather than to stoop to the bloodthirsty orcs level and slaughtering all of them.
    You wanna have a talk with Thrall and alike how kind orcs where treated - not!
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    The post you responded to is correct. There is nothing redeeming about any Horde race save the Tauren (who are just too honorable for the their own good).
    you seriously have a problem with lore here....
    Quote Originally Posted by wolftech View Post
    Orcs are bloodthirsty invaders from another place who do not belong on Azeroth.
    WoD will at least show you the flaw in this argument when you dont care to read lore at all....
    Quote Originally Posted by wolftech View Post
    Trolls are vicious savages who think its ok to eat other sentient beings.
    Same goes for humans as to read in shadows of the horde....
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    Undead need not be explained. If you cant see why they are evil you are more damaged that I thought and should get some serious professional help.
    they go killed by Arthas and his bunch and raise of undead state by him and thus are automatically bad
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    I swear. Horde players are as fanatical as those same misguided souls who thinks its ok to blow themselves and everyone around them up for some virgins in heaven.
    yeah right you need seiously some help
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    Lastly, the irony is so strong in your post. You tell the poster to sit back, take a breath and remember its a game. And yet, you open with profanity at the other side... who needs to not take it so seriously again?
    you also have a serious problem with irony dont you?


    Quote Originally Posted by Briga View Post
    Both sides have had a lot to be unhappy about the last 2 expansions but Alliance have been a LOT more vocal on this forum.
    fixed that


    Quote Originally Posted by raist474 View Post
    Wait, people still play one faction exclusively?!
    Yes!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kryos View Post
    Yeah fictional factions in a fictional game calling each other names are really something that should upset you in reality. That's sounds logical.
    Amen!

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiju View Post
    I have not read the latest book war crimes
    please dont try to argue with lore if you havent read the lore. tia

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Blade View Post
    I'm all for the Alliance exterminating the Horde in a similar fashion, and actually succeeding, destroying their cities, homes, slaughtering random horde races and leaving their carcasses around zones to really make Horde players angry . Then the Horde can be the underdogs they so desire, the Alliance can be all those evil mean things the Horde players think they are, but alas they're the "good guys" instead of the opposing force.
    right - tell that the forsaken and see how the love the alliance

    PS: Fuck the alliance and Horde4Life! ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobleshield View Post
    You seem to have a strong dislike of people that you deem inferior (based on whatever criteria) having the same things as you, even if they look slightly different and are much weaker than your version (ie LFR tier), based on some abstract concept that you "deserve" it and they do not, based again on some arbitrary criteria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fummockelchen View Post

    please dont try to argue with lore if you havent read the lore. tia
    I kept up with the spoiler thread - most of the crimes held against garrosh WERE NOT COMMITTED BY GARROSH.
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    which is kind of like saying "of COURSE you can't see the unicorns, unicorns are invisible, silly."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeula View Post
    Alliance are overly entitled because they got their arses handed to them in cata and can't accept it.
    Overly entitled? Where did you get that from?
    I do notice the faction hate is way stronger within the Horde. Faction pride is fine, but spouting nonsense, being childish and using hyperboles isn't very becoming.
    They used to say that Alliance has all the kids, but after all the comments from Horde players, I'd say it's the other way around.

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    I play both, and I say f the players, not the faction

  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by Raiju View Post
    Genocide - he was against and killed his underling who did it. Later in the war he was more desperate, but that is war.
    Murder - Vol'jin was a traitor, ofcourse you kill traitors.
    Forcible transport of population - could you be more specific? regardless it's a full blown war. Don't see the issue
    Enslavement - of who?
    abduction of children - ya pretty bad, got anything else?
    torture - of enemies in war, of which the alliance has many war criminals and torture is common place in warcraft
    killing of prisoners - so what? war.
    Forced pregnancy - of who?
    wanton destruction- WAR, define not justified. The most destruction he did that I see was theramore - 100% a military target where innocents were already evacuated
    Genocide - Garrosh states that his plan has changed: instead of expelling the Alliance from Kalimdor, Garrosh now aims to wage a war of total genocide. After being informed that he will lose Baine's support should another Theramore happen, Garrosh merely smirks at the tauren while remarking that such information is "duly noted."

    Murder - Garrosh and Vol'jin have yet another clash of opinions about his warmongering at the newly-constructed Domination Point, resulting in Garrosh, long tested by the Darkspear chieftain's criticism, ordering his rival's outright murder (under the guise of Vol'jin being sent on a mission with the Kor'kron). Vol'jin survives the attempt on his life, and it is revealed that Garrosh had put the Darkspear Isles under martial law. Members of his own Horde join forces with former Warchief Thrall to liberate the isle, and take down Garrosh's men. As a deterrent, Thrall himself takes up the leadership of the isles in Vol'jin's absence.

    Forcible transport of population - He forced the trolls to the slums and then out of Orgrimmar. Enforced disappearance of individuals. People did disappear under his rule, mostly because of independent actions of his Kor'kron elite.

    Enslavement - The magnataurs, and they were enslaved and extorted into helping the Horde. Their children were held hostage. Which also covers the abductions.

    Torture - Was inflicted on even the innocent within the walls of Orgrimmar. Killing of prisoners came with the torture. The humans were at War with the Orcs a long time ago, Yet Thrall and his other upstarts were sent to prison, not sentenced to death. Even in war, there is mercy. With Garrosh, there was NONE, and the influence of the Sha magnified it.

    Wanton destruction of cities, towns, and villages not justified by military or civilian necessity - Any target Garrosh set to destroy, wipe from the face of the world, was, or could be a military necessity. Theramore as the glaring example, was the main base for all the Alliance incursions in the South Barrens, exposing the Tauren and every Horde village south of Crossroads. Theramore is the prime reason why Alliance was able to set a foothold in Stonetalon Mountains, thus stretching the front line all around the Horde. There were THOUSANDS of civilians who were forcibly held within the blast radius by Kor'kron Guards while the bomb was dropped.

    As to the "Forced Pregnancy" - Garrosh ordered his allies to enslave Alexstrasza, and as she gave birth to more dragons, he would then use them as a weapon.

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    In the end, doesn't really matter. Just fun knowing that Garrosh will get his.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    Genocide - Garrosh states that his plan has changed: instead of expelling the Alliance from Kalimdor, Garrosh now aims to wage a war of total genocide. After being informed that he will lose Baine's support should another Theramore happen, Garrosh merely smirks at the tauren while remarking that such information is "duly noted."

    Murder - Garrosh and Vol'jin have yet another clash of opinions about his warmongering at the newly-constructed Domination Point, resulting in Garrosh, long tested by the Darkspear chieftain's criticism, ordering his rival's outright murder (under the guise of Vol'jin being sent on a mission with the Kor'kron). Vol'jin survives the attempt on his life, and it is revealed that Garrosh had put the Darkspear Isles under martial law. Members of his own Horde join forces with former Warchief Thrall to liberate the isle, and take down Garrosh's men. As a deterrent, Thrall himself takes up the leadership of the isles in Vol'jin's absence.

    Forcible transport of population - He forced the trolls to the slums and then out of Orgrimmar. Enforced disappearance of individuals. People did disappear under his rule, mostly because of independent actions of his Kor'kron elite.

    Enslavement - The magnataurs, and they were enslaved and extorted into helping the Horde. Their children were held hostage. Which also covers the abductions.

    Torture - Was inflicted on even the innocent within the walls of Orgrimmar. Killing of prisoners came with the torture. The humans were at War with the Orcs a long time ago, Yet Thrall and his other upstarts were sent to prison, not sentenced to death. Even in war, there is mercy. With Garrosh, there was NONE, and the influence of the Sha magnified it.

    Wanton destruction of cities, towns, and villages not justified by military or civilian necessity - Any target Garrosh set to destroy, wipe from the face of the world, was, or could be a military necessity. Theramore as the glaring example, was the main base for all the Alliance incursions in the South Barrens, exposing the Tauren and every Horde village south of Crossroads. Theramore is the prime reason why Alliance was able to set a foothold in Stonetalon Mountains, thus stretching the front line all around the Horde. There were THOUSANDS of civilians who were forcibly held within the blast radius by Kor'kron Guards while the bomb was dropped.

    As to the "Forced Pregnancy" - Garrosh ordered his allies to enslave Alexstrasza, and as she gave birth to more dragons, he would then use them as a weapon.

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    In the end, doesn't really matter. Just fun knowing that Garrosh will get his.
    dont forget the enslavement of magma giants/elementals/golems during the attack on theramore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    Genocide - Garrosh states that his plan has changed: instead of expelling the Alliance from Kalimdor, Garrosh now aims to wage a war of total genocide. After being informed that he will lose Baine's support should another Theramore happen, Garrosh merely smirks at the tauren while remarking that such information is "duly noted."

    Murder - Garrosh and Vol'jin have yet another clash of opinions about his warmongering at the newly-constructed Domination Point, resulting in Garrosh, long tested by the Darkspear chieftain's criticism, ordering his rival's outright murder (under the guise of Vol'jin being sent on a mission with the Kor'kron). Vol'jin survives the attempt on his life, and it is revealed that Garrosh had put the Darkspear Isles under martial law. Members of his own Horde join forces with former Warchief Thrall to liberate the isle, and take down Garrosh's men. As a deterrent, Thrall himself takes up the leadership of the isles in Vol'jin's absence.

    Forcible transport of population - He forced the trolls to the slums and then out of Orgrimmar. Enforced disappearance of individuals. People did disappear under his rule, mostly because of independent actions of his Kor'kron elite.

    Enslavement - The magnataurs, and they were enslaved and extorted into helping the Horde. Their children were held hostage. Which also covers the abductions.

    Torture - Was inflicted on even the innocent within the walls of Orgrimmar. Killing of prisoners came with the torture. The humans were at War with the Orcs a long time ago, Yet Thrall and his other upstarts were sent to prison, not sentenced to death. Even in war, there is mercy. With Garrosh, there was NONE, and the influence of the Sha magnified it.

    Wanton destruction of cities, towns, and villages not justified by military or civilian necessity - Any target Garrosh set to destroy, wipe from the face of the world, was, or could be a military necessity. Theramore as the glaring example, was the main base for all the Alliance incursions in the South Barrens, exposing the Tauren and every Horde village south of Crossroads. Theramore is the prime reason why Alliance was able to set a foothold in Stonetalon Mountains, thus stretching the front line all around the Horde. There were THOUSANDS of civilians who were forcibly held within the blast radius by Kor'kron Guards while the bomb was dropped.

    As to the "Forced Pregnancy" - Garrosh ordered his allies to enslave Alexstrasza, and as she gave birth to more dragons, he would then use them as a weapon.

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    In the end, doesn't really matter. Just fun knowing that Garrosh will get his.
    you mean jk pc out to draenor to cause more mischief. in warcrimes he gives no fucks and even says he would do it again. The butt hurt from alliance in warcrimes was pretty entertaining. I doubt we will be killing him we will prob end up banishing him.

    wage war for ages no one bats an eye, start getting a leg up on the enemy and youre a "war criminal" hue hue hue
    Last edited by Redpanda; 2014-05-25 at 12:20 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpheus View Post
    People doing below 200k dps? Ain't nobody got time for that.
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    14/14h and finally done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    Genocide - Garrosh states that his plan has changed: instead of expelling the Alliance from Kalimdor, Garrosh now aims to wage a war of total genocide. After being informed that he will lose Baine's support should another Theramore happen, Garrosh merely smirks at the tauren while remarking that such information is "duly noted."

    Murder - Garrosh and Vol'jin have yet another clash of opinions about his warmongering at the newly-constructed Domination Point, resulting in Garrosh, long tested by the Darkspear chieftain's criticism, ordering his rival's outright murder (under the guise of Vol'jin being sent on a mission with the Kor'kron). Vol'jin survives the attempt on his life, and it is revealed that Garrosh had put the Darkspear Isles under martial law. Members of his own Horde join forces with former Warchief Thrall to liberate the isle, and take down Garrosh's men. As a deterrent, Thrall himself takes up the leadership of the isles in Vol'jin's absence.

    Forcible transport of population - He forced the trolls to the slums and then out of Orgrimmar. Enforced disappearance of individuals. People did disappear under his rule, mostly because of independent actions of his Kor'kron elite.

    Enslavement - The magnataurs, and they were enslaved and extorted into helping the Horde. Their children were held hostage. Which also covers the abductions.

    Torture - Was inflicted on even the innocent within the walls of Orgrimmar. Killing of prisoners came with the torture. The humans were at War with the Orcs a long time ago, Yet Thrall and his other upstarts were sent to prison, not sentenced to death. Even in war, there is mercy. With Garrosh, there was NONE, and the influence of the Sha magnified it.

    Wanton destruction of cities, towns, and villages not justified by military or civilian necessity - Any target Garrosh set to destroy, wipe from the face of the world, was, or could be a military necessity. Theramore as the glaring example, was the main base for all the Alliance incursions in the South Barrens, exposing the Tauren and every Horde village south of Crossroads. Theramore is the prime reason why Alliance was able to set a foothold in Stonetalon Mountains, thus stretching the front line all around the Horde. There were THOUSANDS of civilians who were forcibly held within the blast radius by Kor'kron Guards while the bomb was dropped.

    As to the "Forced Pregnancy" - Garrosh ordered his allies to enslave Alexstrasza, and as she gave birth to more dragons, he would then use them as a weapon.

    -----------------------------

    In the end, doesn't really matter. Just fun knowing that Garrosh will get his.
    You have no idea about the lore of this game and clearly only read the most recent book which is comparable to the WW1 treaty of versailles. It is not an accurate representation - Every action that the alliance disliked from teh horde was held against garrosh, despite him most likely not even being alive for the last one.

    So 'getting his' is great, if you mean 'getting doomhammers' or 'getting thralls' or 'getting sylvanas'' or 'getting nerzhuls' etc.

    Just going to recap - it's seen as genocide by the alliance, it's seen as victory for the horde. They are a different species and a hostile one that has been at war with them since before garrosh was born.

    Murder - voljin already said he would kill garrosh, Garrosh's act was not only fair as a warchief (disobeying & threatening is treason, voljin continuously disobeyed and threatened). The only reason it would be diffcult to publicly execute voljin is his popularity among trolls / tauren - he had no right to live as a member of the horde from the get-go.

    Forcible transport - It is WAR, the alliance are ON THEIR DOORSTEP in the barrens. Garrosh chose to fortify orgrimmar and the trolls / goblins weren't really doing much to help. Garrosh did admit the taurens were useful

    Torture - it's commonplace in warcraft. It has never been a crime in the alliance or horde previously who both took part it in PUBLICLY in the past. This is not earth, this is azeroth. Only a few organisations are 'against' torture and the horde / alliance are not them.

    Not sure why you mentioned wanton destruction since you pretty much admitted it was a military target through and through. The alliance were not native to kalimdor last I knew, there was no reason for civilians to be there after they started using it as a landing base for all their pushing into dustwallow and barrens.

    Force pregnancy - before garrosh was even born

    dont forget the enslavement of magma giants/elementals/golems during the attack on theramore.
    You mean like mages do as common place with water elementals, of which jaina is the perfect example?
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    which is kind of like saying "of COURSE you can't see the unicorns, unicorns are invisible, silly."

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