Putin puts troops in western Russia on alert in drill 1.1

[Deleted]

It's a sensationalist title.

My diplomat speech is rusty but it could really mean that.

"We don't expect anything from our European partners [We beg you]. The only thing we expect[We are very humble in our demands] is for them to leave the meaningless[we totally care] sanctions spiral and move onto the path of lifting the sanctions and dropping the blacklists," Russia's deputy foreign minister, Alexei Meshkov, was quoted as saying by Interfax news agency.
"This, in turn, would allow us to drop our lists." [We would give you this in return so pretty please]"

[Deleted]

My diplomat speech is rusty but it could really mean that.

This is what I'm talking about, we're being treated like idiots by Russia. Like fuck, Russia will lifts its sanctions? Who cares!

[Cybran]

A deputy foreign minister says that the sanctions dont work and should be lifted in the sake of defusing the situation. Western media spins his words for a day. And now the desperate anti Russian posters put up "mission accomplished" banners even though its full of shit.

If it wasn't so pathetic ot would have been funny.

[Deleted]

A deputy foreign minister says that the sanctions dont work and should be lifted in the sake of defusing the situation. Western media spins his words for a day. And now the desperate anti Russian posters put up "mission accomplished" banners even though its full of shit.

If it wasn't so pathetic ot would have been funny.

Look who's talking... lol

[Crispin]

A deputy foreign minister says that the sanctions dont work and should be lifted in the sake of defusing the situation. Western media spins his words for a day. And now the desperate anti Russian posters put up "mission accomplished" banners even though its full of shit.

If it wasn't so pathetic ot would have been funny.

i agree, it's pathetic that they'll ask us, when the sanctions do not work.

They'll expire in march and wont be renewed if Russia has started to behave by then.

[Cybran]

All I see is grasping at straws.

[Deleted]

All I see is grasping at straws.

I'm not sure why you keep trying. We all know you constantly grasp at straws, so really you have no right to sit and act high and mighty.

[Nyaldee]

As a russian representative i greatly appreciate 1100 pages thread filled with care, but would like to mention a few facts:
1. Sanctions aren't hurting Putins close friends, they already have more cash then any of you could imagine.
2. Sanctions hurt regular citizens (lower and middle class) that reduces demand towards mainstream EU goods (cars, tourism).
3. Upper class is turning away from EU too, quite a few of my friends switched their tourism and car prefferences. Fun fact is that the more educated you're the worse your opinion of west is becouse of ability to get information firsthand from foreign sources (reading teh democaratic mass media leaves worse impression then "Putins propaganda", i'm honestly curious why our mass media is even bothering instead of simply translating bullshit from WP, Times etc.).
4. Most of those who've never supported Putin are doing so now, becouse of two evils he is deemed the lesser one.
5. Hystorical memory is still intact and and we remmember countless invasions from new baked democratic countries, hypocrisy of providing shelter to Chechnia terrorists and supporting their activities, fine economic advices that led to worst decade ever seen by everyone i know.
6. Bombing our allies (Yugoslavia i'm mourning you).

Countrary to your belifes, 99.9% of russian population don't want:
1. Buttbrother and clitsisters marriages;
2. Choosing childrends gender at 18 years age;
3. Coming outs being public and deserving first pages along with applause;
4. Don't want to listen to your morals, becouse you're you and we're we, but your motto ("intolerance will not be tolerated") leads to countless conflicts.
5. Don't want you to continue poking your nose in every hole across the globe, becouse your democratic mission results in ruined states. Maybe it would be fine in vacuum, but your failures backfire at us time and time again:
- Afghanistan mission resulted in drug traffic through our country increasing tenfold;
- Syrian bullshit resulted in forming of ISIS that's already starting activities in our muslim regions;
- Iraq became hell on earth that supplies ISIS with oil dollars (and guess who's buying their oil...) becouse in decade your "specialists" couldn't manage to train a proper army (pretty much the same as Georgia, who abandoned all precious US hammers at the first sight of oposing forces);
- Lybia (our traditional allie + Muamar been on first name basis with our Vova) ruined by "democratic rebels", who few months later killed US ambassador like a dog;
- Now semi Nazi state right at our borders at the cost of 5 billion dollars (according to Nulland). You've spent shitty 5 billion dollars to create a mess, meanwhille we've spent around 50 billions supporting Ukraine through low gas prices (before your first attempt at 2004), not even counting all other investments.

So for measly sums you go around creating one ruin after another, starting wars based on false evidence (lmao at Colin Powell "presentation" at UN), creating cross-national conflicts and talking about morals, democracy, rights...

Atm we're bearing the cost of sanctions (not light, nor critical), that won't last forever:
1. Provision situation is already much better - for example trout from Tourkey cost less then EU one before sanctions, seabass from Greace is already replaced too (love fish:P) etc.
2. There're other sources of high tech (no tech sanctions from South Korea, Japan, China, then there's industrial espionage and copy pasta china style).
3. Our funamental science is doing fine, we're delievering sattelites on our rockets equiped with our engines (US enjoy them too), we're building nuclear powerplants around the globe and democratic forces are searching for our submarines (could be just a case of paranoya).
4. Agriculture subventions for the perdiod of 2015-2020 were increased from 40 billion to 60 billion euro targeting mostly beef, lamb and pork production (what we're importing the most atm) and land... well we've plenty of it.



So in 3-5 years perspective it'll be hard to understand what EU have to offer, and why we should take it since they can backpedal at a moment's notice. Objectively i understand US goals in this business (almost no economic relations anyway), but about EU i'm completly clueless.

Just to make it clear: I'm in no way Putins agent as i firsthand know how much his corrupted buddies are hurting my country (way worse then sanctions or oil prices) and the way he manages internal affairs bears way more risks then anything you could come up with.

P.S. Everything above is my POV and POV of many ppls i know. My trip to Iceland became 25% more expensive since september and i'll have to postpone X6 i planed to buy at winter sale, but imo it's much lesser problems then most of grandfathers relatives dieing in WW2 under the gunfire of our german buddies, who few days ago abstained in UN vote against nazism and now are starting same shit with different means.

[Deleted]

Hi Nyaldee, I read your first paragraph and I appreciate newcomers coming to this thread thinking they're the guys who will set things straight once and for all with their infinite wisdom but frankly, your first paragraph was bullshit (upper class are anti-EU, the fuck?) so yeah, I'd say run while you still can from this vortex before it consumes you like it has with all other regulars.

[Cybran]

- Afghanistan mission resulted in drug traffic through our country increasing tenfold;
- Syrian bullshit resulted in forming of ISIS that's already starting activities in our muslim regions;
- Iraq became hell on earth that supplies ISIS with oil dollars (and guess who's buying their oil...) becouse in decade your "specialists" couldn't manage to train a proper army (pretty much the same as Georgia, who abandoned all precious US hammers at the first sight of oposing forces);
- Lybia (our traditional allie + Muamar been on first name basis with our Vova) ruined by "democratic rebels", who few months later killed US ambassador like a dog;

According to a lot of posters here All those countries are exemplary Democracies. They even call Iraq the most democratic country and a success story.

[Bakis]

Pulling stuff out of a magic hat again Cybran? You know perfectly well that is not true.

[Ausr]

According to a lot of posters here All those countries are exemplary Democracies. They even call Iraq the most democratic country and a success story.

Keep twisting them words around, buddy.

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Skroesec said all of the above

[Shalcker]

Hi Nyaldee, I read your first paragraph and I appreciate newcomers coming to this thread thinking they're the guys who will set things straight once and for all with their infinite wisdom but frankly, your first paragraph was bullshit (upper class are anti-EU, the fuck?) so yeah, I'd say run while you still can from this vortex before it consumes you like it has with all other regulars.

What's the point of denying reality?

Yes, upper class that are still here have to be anti-EU at this point; otherwise they would already escaped to EU and not remain in Russia.
Being in upper class doesn't automatically make you EU-lover or somehow immunizes you from propaganda; and obviously when you can read both sides and compare you lean on "your side" by default, as well as see horrible twisting of facts you're aware of because Western media just don't know any better.

[Ausr]

Skroesec said all of the above

He said in the middle east. I believe Whatsnew or Toomuch tried the same bullshit Cybran did.

There it is:

Iraq is the most democratic country in the Arab world

[Bakis]

Skroesec said all of the above

I think peoples first thought is Scro indeed but that doesnt make Cybran the notorious lier and twisters of words correct with "a lot".

[Crispin]

It's always entertaining when someone speaks for 99.9% of their country, the 30 minutes you spent typing that was a waste of time, I dont care about Russia or russians, drive ladas if you want, couldnt care less.

Just stop annexing your neighbours and drop the pathetic whataboutism.

[Deleted]

~Nice list most was wrong~

Its hilarious that you think Russia can get tech from China when its the other way around.

To claim the US could just buy the ukraine for 5 billion $ over the cource of multiple years when Russia couldnt with 50 billion is just a bad joke

The russian upper class has long voted with their wallets what they think about the current situation. Capital flight is higher than ever.

[Cybran]

The first numbers of the elections in Moldova show that the pro-EU parties lose. At least some people still see straight.

[Tierbook]

Straight into the past I suppose... the party symbols are slightly hilarious. Also are the results only in from Transnistria?