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    Didn't work. Too much pressure broke the lever. Hopefully that will show EU limits of their power.
    I think the sanctions fullfill their purpose quite fine.

    The worst case would be to negotiate a 3month peace or something for putin to get his ships and then he goes on anyway but I see it comming from here.

    If europe freezes Russia goes on wartime rations.
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    Sending a slow ass bomber that shines on radar is literally the worst way.

    And what is it with you and nukes?
    belies the impotence of his argument.

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    Russia has plenty of wartime rations. TUSHONKA is delicious.
    All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    Its Britain, Germany and some ex USSR countries that are driving these sanctions. The rest of us don't have an issue with Russia and we want things to go back to normal.
    And yet again you think you can speak for the majority of europe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadiru View Post
    It would seem to me that Russia's empire didn't fall, it simply changed its brand. You might have had luck convincing people that Russia's a changed people before your leaders engaged in bald-faced imperialism themselves. I wouldn't even have to engage the ongoing conflict in Ukraine to point it out, that's just the latest event in a decade-long re-emergence of the Russian Bear. The Orange Revolution, the South Ossetia War, and now the invasion of Ukraine. As much as the EU doesn't like the United States, you don't portray your state as a more useful or compelling ally, and destroying buffer states between Russia and Germany historically has not led Germany to align with Russia. Something of the opposite, in fact.

    The change you think, this time, is natural gas, a resource you have in such abundance that allows you to harm Europe economically if they don't dance to your tune politically. That also will not work in Russia's favor, Russian aggression with regards to the cheap energy tap will be and has been perceived as a security risk to EU member-states. Russian military aggression on the periphery of Europe edging back into the center does not make you look like an invincible bear, it makes you look like a dangerous one, and dangerous animals must be culled.

    For all of your talk about wallets and stomachs, it is Moscow who has been desperately trying to court Berlin for their technology and access to credit markets. Nobody courts Russia except to squeeze resources from it.
    Bald-faced imperialism? Destroying buffer states? Russian aggression? You know, the problem here is that you people never ever think about the motives for a split second. Every semblance of rational thought is quickly suppressed with Red Scare. "They're after us!". Why would Russia need to attack Georgia? To "destroy" Ukraine? And claims of economical aggression, in light of sanction war declared upon Russia, sound even more ridiculous. Don't you ever think who might really want these shitstorms on Russian border to happen? And who supported every single of them...
    Quote Originally Posted by jugzilla View Post
    Have you noticed though, recently, and maybe it has something to do with the fact that Russia started shooting down airliners in their quest to redraw European borders, that the Europeans and Americans have started sounding the same? Have you noticed that even our own unique little citizens and subjects, examples of wich you see stumbling around on these forums, realize that we are natural allies and that Russia is a common threat?
    Redraw European borders. Really. As if we didn't have other things to do. That's some hardcore case of paranoia. And enlighten me, in which way or manner is Russia a "threat"? This word gets repeated a lot, but no one ever defines it. How do you imagine Russian takeover of defenseless Europe?
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    The smart alfa male kills all the other males, as I have said.
    And always ends up killed himself eventually. Always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haven View Post
    Bald-faced imperialism? Destroying buffer states? Russian aggression? You know, the problem here is that you people never ever think about the motives for a split second. Every semblance of rational thought is quickly suppressed with Red Scare. "They're after us!". Why would Russia need to attack Georgia? To "destroy" Ukraine? And claims of economical aggression, in light of sanction war declared upon Russia, sound even more ridiculous. Don't you ever think who might really want these shitstorms on Russian border to happen? And who supported every single of them...

    Redraw European borders. Really. As if we didn't have other things to do. That's some hardcore case of paranoia. And enlighten me, in which way or manner is Russia a "threat"? This word gets repeated a lot, but no one ever defines it. How do you imagine Russian takeover of defenseless Europe?

    And always ends up killed himself eventually. Always.
    A threat insofar as if they start a war and end up losing they won't want to go down alone.
    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    I'd never compare him to Hitler, Hitler was actually well educated, and by all accounts pretty intelligent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haven View Post
    Bald-faced imperialism? Destroying buffer states? Russian aggression? You know, the problem here is that you people never ever think about the motives for a split second. Every semblance of rational thought is quickly suppressed with Red Scare. "They're after us!". Why would Russia need to attack Georgia? To "destroy" Ukraine? And claims of economical aggression, in light of sanction war declared upon Russia, sound even more ridiculous. Don't you ever think who might really want these shitstorms on Russian border to happen? And who supported every single of them...

    Redraw European borders. Really. As if we didn't have other things to do. That's some hardcore case of paranoia. And enlighten me, in which way or manner is Russia a "threat"? This word gets repeated a lot, but no one ever defines it. How do you imagine Russian takeover of defenseless Europe?

    And always ends up killed himself eventually. Always.
    Everything dies of old age eventually. However, that does not mean one should ever give up power willingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tierbook View Post
    A threat insofar as if they start a war and end up losing they won't want to go down alone.
    This can be just as easily applied to every major country in the world.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    Everything dies of old age eventually. However, that does not mean one should ever give up power willingly.
    How about maturing and giving up the school bully way in favor of something more civilized?

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    How about maturing and giving up the school bully way in favor of something more civilized?
    From a non american perspective we did that and you can too russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davillage View Post
    From a non american perspective we did that and you can too russia.
    Russia right now is in the position of an unpopular kid who's being inquired by a bully and his gang about why he's hitting himself.

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    Russia right now is in the position of an unpopular kid who's being inquired by a bully and his gang about why he's hitting himself.
    And who is ukraine?
    Ukraine my Friend give me your slingshot and I will never take your stuff again.

    Years later Ukraine is not friends with Russia anymore.
    Russia aims with his slingshot at Ukraine and takes her crimea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haven View Post
    Russia right now is in the position of an unpopular kid who's being inquired by a bully and his gang about why he's hitting himself.
    Ukraine is the weak little kid brother of the bully known as Russia. Ukraine wants to impress the cool kids (Eu/US) by distancing itself from his asshole of a brother. Well his brother doesn't like this, so he decides to take his bike in-front of the entire school- while claiming it as his own since he used to ride it when he was younger. The cool kids then tell the bully to stop being such a massive dick-face and that the bike is no longer is since he gave it to his brother. They then stop helping him in any way they can, until he gives the bike back. The bully continues to claim the bike as his own, while pissing off the cool kids by shoving and prodding them.

    Stop being such a dick-hole Russia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    That installation is ONLY dangerous if USA decides to strike first. If Russia launches first an attack, its completely not an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Drop this "annexation" already, it's absolutely irrelevant here.
    It's absolutely relevant, actually it's absolutely the reason of your country's economical recession and isolation. Compare where Russia was on 25/02/2014 (after Maidan but before Crimean invasion) and where it is now.


    Also, I have an interesting thought to discuss: Soviet nukes inherited by Russia in 1991 are the major contributor to modern Russia's downfall. Without nukes, Russia wouldn't be so bold and wouldn't invade and annex parts of neighbour countries; so Russia wouldn't be isolated and sanctioned into recession without Soviet nukes. What do you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobleshield View Post
    It's not 2004. People have lives, jobs, families etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davillage View Post
    And who is ukraine?
    A rat that tretends he's been hit by an unpopular kid and complains to everyone about imaginary offenses. Everyone rolls with it because the unpopular kid is unpopular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynep View Post
    It's absolutely relevant, actually it's absolutely the reason of your country's economical recession and isolation. Compare where Russia was on 25/02/2014 (after Maidan but before Crimean invasion) and where it is now.

    Also, I have an interesting thought to discuss: Soviet nukes inherited by Russia in 1991 are the major contributor to modern Russia's downfall. Without nukes, Russia wouldn't be so bold and wouldn't invade and annex parts of neighbour countries; so Russia wouldn't be isolated and sanctioned into recession without Soviet nukes. What do you think?
    Nukes? What are you, texting from 80s? No one can use nukes in today's world. The moment one country shows it's that rabid, it will be isolated and locked down out of fear. Although of course your "enemies" have no common sense or even a semblance of brain and cannot think rationally. Without nukes Russia would be assaulted just the same, we've got too much natural resources for us to be left alone, and red scare is that easy and effective to use. Anything happens close to Russia, it's automatically Russia's fault because everyone's still afraid of KGB, Stalin and GULag.

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    A rat that tretends he's been hit by an unpopular kid and complains to everyone about imaginary offenses. Everyone rolls with it because the unpopular kid is unpopular.
    But most kids were actually trying to be friends with the "unpopular kid" and why does nobody see through the lies of the "rat".

    Did the rat never have a bicycle? And how come that the entire school saw how the unpopular kid stole the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davillage View Post
    But most kids were actually trying to be friends with the "unpopular kid" and why does nobody see through the lies of the "rat".

    Did the rat never have a bicycle?
    They didn't. 'Cause the idol said them that hating the unpopular kid is the cool thing to do, and they rolled with it because the idol is idol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haven View Post
    This can be just as easily applied to every major country in the world.

    How about maturing and giving up the school bully way in favor of something more civilized?
    Only a fool steps down from power when others desire to step into it.

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    They didn't. 'Cause the idol said them that hating the unpopular kid is the cool thing to do, and they rolled with it because the idol is idol.
    Why did most other kids not follow the idol when he was trying to beat up the punk in the neighbour class?
    Dont you think that proves that they have a mind on their own?

    Why would they all lie about the bicycle, even the rival neighbour classes say well we don't know if taking the bicycle was right or not?

    To claim he didnt take the bicycle is a lie and the entire school knows it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    Only a fool steps down from power when others desire to step into it.
    Only a fool drives straight to a cliff. Look at northern Europe, look at Canada. They ain't playing almighty or sticking their noses everywhere they can shaking their aircraft carrier penises. They just mind their own business with high level of life and no social unrest. There's a way to live well without being the world's inquisition.
    Quote Originally Posted by Davillage View Post
    Why did most other kids not follow the idol when he was trying to beat up the punk in the neighbour class?
    Dont you think that proves that they have a mind on their own?
    This metaphor has kind of gone too far to be clear. You mean Syria?
    Why would they all lie about the bicycle, even the rival neighbour classes say well we don't know if taking the bicycle was right or not?

    To claim he didnt take the bicycle is a lie and the entire school knows it.
    Bicycle is a thing. Crimea would be comparable to a pet. And it's the right thing to take pets away from someone who abuses them. The rat now energetically kicks his other dog Donbass and tells everyone that it's because unpopular kid has something to do with it. Not to mention how he burned his cat Odessa with a cigarette, but everyone pretends it didn't happen.

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    Bicycle is a thing. Crimea would be comparable to a pet. And it's the right thing to take pets away from someone who abuses them. The rat now energetically kicks his other dog Donbass and tells everyone that it's because unpopular kid has something to do with it. Not to mention how he burned his cat Odessa with a cigarette, but everyone pretends it didn't happen.
    Why would you steal a pet under gunpoint when all the owner did was to say he might gonna buy a new dogtag?

    If my neighbour is using chilipowder to enrage my dog so that he is no longer able to see who Iam and bites me I would try to subdue him too.
    Even if my neighbour is lying about it he got caught on tape doing it again and again.
    The entire city knows it by now that hes a shameless liar and only his submissive wife at home believes it and still does even after he had to pay fines for his animal cruelty.

    There is no cat in the house while the neighbour believes I own an entire Zoo in reality there is just the dog.
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