Putin puts troops in western Russia on alert in drill 1.1

[Deleted]

Not talking about your iPhones. Fruit and vegetables. What's the percentage, something around 30 and 50%? And they're exporting two times more than importing.

[Cybran]

http://www.france24.com/en/20140811-...onetsk-prison/

Rockets slammed into a high-security prison on Monday in the rebel-held city of Donetsk, igniting a riot that allowed more than 100 prisoners to flee, authorities in eastern Ukraine said.

Donetsk city council spokesman Maxim Rovinsky said a direct rocket hit killed at least one inmate and left three others severely wounded. In the chaos, he said 106 prisoners escaped, included some jailed for murder, robbery and rape.

The Ukrainian army doing what they do best. Tymoshenko is no longer the only criminal freed by the Junta.

[Tierbook]

Not talking about your iPhones. Fruit and vegetables. What's the percentage, something around 30 and 50%? And they're exporting two times more than importing.

And due to the environmental issues in the country they will be exporting less and less to feed their own.

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http://www.france24.com/en/20140811-...onetsk-prison/



The Ukrainian army doing what they do best.

Was it not even guarded? This is why you can't trust rebels to keep their area under control.

[Cybran]

Was it not even guarded? This is why you can't trust rebels to keep their area under control.

Read the article. The shells disabled the electric grid and alarms.

[Crispin]

I'm sure the guards will work without electricity.

[Deleted]

And due to the environmental issues in the country they will be exporting less and less to feed their own.

So you're talking about 40-50 years in the future, still having enough to export to Russia with declining population?

[Tierbook]

So you're talking about 40-50 years in the future, still having enough to export to Russia with declining population?

Well the most recent numbers are from 1999 in relation to Chinese production, however, it states that since 2003 production has been decreasing. In terms of population since 2000 China's population has increased by ~100 Million.

[Crispin]

Apparently Russia is depending on China, to get them out of the mess they put themself in.

[Creotor]

And due to the environmental issues in the country they will be exporting less and less to feed their own.

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Was it not even guarded? This is why you can't trust rebels to keep their area under control.

Yea, I'd say doing your job becomes fairly difficult when the area you're working in gets shelled.

[Cybran]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101909346#.

The European media are abuzz about sanction effects. Dutch News.nl, for example, reported today (Sunday, August 10) that last Friday one kilogram (2.2 pounds) of spinach in the city of Zaltbommel was down to €0.30 from €1.1 when the sanctions hit the market on Wednesday, August 6.

As I said few days ago. The Russian sanctions will increase the deflation in the EU and deepen the Eurozone crisis.

High unemployment and increasing political uncertainty created by Europe's escalating trade war don't bode well for euro area's loan demand to fund household consumption and business investments.

Under these circumstances, it is not clear what the ECB can do, in addition to what it has already done, to tackle problems in an environment of rising insecurity.

Investment thoughts

The euro area -- the core of the EU -- is facing grave difficulties of a deflationary economy. Problems of a structurally weak aggregate demand have been considerably increased by an unfolding trade war with Russia. In addition to that, the area's economic instabilities are compounded by Germany's refusal to reduce its excessive trade surpluses with stronger domestic spending.

The EU unlike Russia can't adjust nearly fast enough which will be its end.

[Deleted]

Well the most recent numbers are from 1999 in relation to Chinese production, however, it states that since 2003 production has been decreasing. In terms of population since 2000 China's population has increased by ~100 Million.

What's your sources? This one right here says what I heard before.
http://www.freshplaza.com/article/11...ocent-of-fruit

China is not only the most populated country in the world but when it comes to production of fresh vegetables and fruit China is the worlds number 1! Of the estimated (commercial) production of fresh vegetables in the world, China produces half. Of all the fruits, China produces 30%. From this enormous amount, only a small portion is exported. Of 484 million tonnes of vegetables produced in 2012, only 4.4 million tonnes was exported. That's less than one percent. Of the 220 million tonnes of fruit produced in 2012 only a mere 3 million tonnes were exported abroad. Despite these figures China remains high on the list of exporters. With fresh vegetables China's export value is in fourth place and with fresh fruit export they are in 7th.

Apparently Russia is depending on China, to get them out of the mess they put themself in.

They're trading with Chinese and Brazilians. Something wrong with that?

[Notchris]

China has maxed it's arable land last I saw. Meaning they can't expand their farming anymore.
On top of that, their aquifers are drying up rapidly, the Gobi desert is quickly expanding south, eating up valuable grass land, and a ballooning population.

There's a reason why China is well on it's way to becoming the world's top farm product importer. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7A60O120111107

China is not in a great place to drastically ramp up exporting food.

[Crispin]

According to your link they export less than 1% of their production

It's not as simple as "but China!"

[Deleted]

According to your link they export less than 1% of their production

It's not as simple as "but China!"

And that's the point.

[Ausr]

Was it coup? Yes it was. Was it backed? Yes it was. Case closed.

Was there a coup? Yes. Was it backed? No because you can't prove it. Case closed.

[Crispin]

That their export is low and seem to be gone within 5 years?

Ofcourse they cant increase their exports to include 150mill more people overnight, they need the food more than the money.

Which is why if they're smart, they'll import from europe and sell to Russia, europe will know, china will know and so will Putin, russian media however will sell it as "we're importing food from China! Screw Europe!" And the russian people will rejoice and send kind thoughts to their chinese friends, who ofcourse gains from the situation again.

All still speculation ofcourse :-) but fact is that Russia is ill-equipped for an economic war with the west.

[Deleted]

China is not their only option. Even if what you said was true, Russians can choose to import from other countries.
As you said, Chinese aren't stupid. They know this.

[Bakis]

The EU unlike Russia can't adjust nearly fast enough which will be its end.

Might be the end for your native country leeching of the EU funds for not much good?

[Shalcker]

They downplayed radicals? Source? As far as I remember there's been a really heated discourse on how to proceed here, if that happened here it happened in all EU countries.

Because Western media was mostly "haha, Crazy russians seeing Nazis everywhere"; and in the end European politicians decided that even "strongly condemning" them is too much.

Don't forget that in the end a lot of things in the EU are decided based on political and economical ramifications especially the latter. If the EU had not already been investing into Ukraine they might have considered a withdrawal but on the other hand a lot EU countries had also economical ties with Russia.

If Russia have not been investing in Ukraine perhaps we could consider withdrawal... but we had those investments, some spanning multiple decades like in case of Crimea, so we could not.

Least of all they possess powers to "reign in" radicals. Radicals who reject any foreign influence including the EU. Most of the influence which the EU had was based on civilian and economical NGOs and programmes. The political power of the EU is more or less overstated as much as it is understated.

Well, you could threaten to pull off those programmes. For opposition that depended on EU support because it was their stated goal that might have been enough; perhaps not for radicals but not everyone supported radicals even if they "won".

They absolutely did not ignore Yanukovych even if they could have because he was the one to shut the door first. In fact they had sent a team of foreign ministers to broker a peace between protesters and government. If it hadn't been for the radicalized faction of the protesters who tore apart the agreement shortly after then he might not have fled the country and the process would have been rebooted.

That's the agreement i'm talking about. Apparently it wasn't worth paper it was printed on. Or perhaps there was discussion on should or should not you enforce it?
...but result was still that you didn't. And that made you look like a party that doesn't follow on their own agreements when it fits them, not a good sign at all. That obviously undermined your later diplomatic efforts.

He fled the country because he was threatened. If you would enforce terms of your own agreement he could return. When you didn't he obviously had no reason to.

Yes, the interim government did sign the political part of the AA which is actually only a small fraction of it. In return the agreement was also binding for them. The trade part was signed in June. It is currently undergoing ratification and, no, it's not going to be signed without revision.

Ratification where and by whom? News about it seem to end on the day of Poroshenko signing it on 27th June.

[Deleted]

So, if I compare this video:


To this:
https://el-murid.livejournal.com/1953867.html

And this: