Page 8 of 9 FirstFirst ...
6
7
8
9
LastLast
  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by Amputations View Post
    I cringe IRL every time someone links to proraiders as part of an argument.
    I don't see how either you or the guy I responded to deserved a more in-depth analysis/proof for Fire in full gear being perfectly comparable with Destruction on most fights. As previous posted stated it's obviously Affliction with the retardedly broken Soul Swap mechanic that is the problem. Warlock/Mage/Hunter have an almost even race on most fights if we ignore Affliction's Soul Swap abuse.

  2. #142
    Yes, warlocks are OP.. first single target.. first cleave.. and first multidot..
    + all the raid utility..

    They should be nerfed!

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Bonkura View Post
    I don't see how either you or the guy I responded to deserved a more in-depth analysis/proof for Fire in full gear being perfectly comparable with Destruction on most fights. As previous posted stated it's obviously Affliction with the retardedly broken Soul Swap mechanic that is the problem. Warlock/Mage/Hunter have an almost even race on most fights if we ignore Affliction's Soul Swap abuse.
    This, soul swap is unarguably broken as hell.

    On everyone complaining about Destruction's AoE being broken - consider an Elemental Shaman that can destroy the meters on Galakras (for example) with ~70% damage coming from Chain Lightning. Destruction does get pretty strong when you have enough targets to cap out on ember regen, but still requires quite a bit of Shadowburn sniping + Havoc to be superior, compared to a single button spam.
    Last edited by striderZA; 2014-05-19 at 08:51 PM.

    Armory | EXODUS | Signature by Mythriz

  4. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by striderZA View Post
    This, soul swap is unarguably broken as hell.

    On everyone complaining about Destruction's AoE being broken - consider an Elemental Shaman that can destroy the meters on Galakras (for example) with ~70% damage coming from Chain Lightning. Destruction does get pretty strong when you have enough targets to cap out on ember regen, but still requires quite a bit of Shadowburn sniping + Havoc to be superior, compared to a single button spam.
    Rejoice fellow feral druids. It's okay to be incredibly OP (and do 10% more single target damage than any other class) if only it is difficult to accomplish!
    I get where you're coming from though

  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Karlzone View Post
    Rejoice fellow feral druids. It's okay to be incredibly OP (and do 10% more single target damage than any other class) if only it is difficult to accomplish!
    I get where you're coming from though
    Can't really argue with a DoC feral about complexity so... :P

    Armory | EXODUS | Signature by Mythriz

  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by Karlzone View Post
    (and do 10% more single target damage than any other class)
    Apart from affliction warlocks

  7. #147
    .... only if played well.

    I know plenty of Warlocks that aren't all-that-and-then-some.

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Retsef View Post
    .... only if played well.

    I know plenty of Warlocks that aren't all-that-and-then-some.
    More like if played averagely, if played at an average level still tops meters with blue parses.

  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Aboubacar View Post
    Beg to differ.
    That might be true but abilities can do lower number output or can be changed even in live, and we are still in alpha mind you. Blizzard already stated that warlocks are currently OP and intend to nerf them in WoD. If there will be some OP ability because of embers (like healing from ember tap), the ability or even talent can be changed to something else, or nerfed.

    Of course warlocks might be OP again. Somebody has to be.

  10. #150
    Warlocks are really strong cleave right now and they happen to have high single target as well, doesn't mean they are overpowered or broken though

  11. #151
    The Lightbringer Joyful's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Sweee?
    Posts
    3,123
    Quote Originally Posted by Maybe View Post
    Warlocks are not overpowered in no way, shape or form. They are the most overrated class in the came. Their actual realistic damage output is no where near the widely accepted theoretical output. Their overall damage is actually pretty low compared to mages and priest which are way overtuned this tier. With good RNG fire can outperform any lock by up to 20%
    Priest?

  12. #152
    Legendary! Raiju's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    England
    Posts
    6,603
    Quote Originally Posted by Maybe View Post
    Warlocks are not overpowered in no way, shape or form. They are the most overrated class in the came. Their actual realistic damage output is no where near the widely accepted theoretical output. Their overall damage is actually pretty low compared to mages and priest which are way overtuned this tier. With good RNG fire can outperform any lock by up to 20%
    Your mage is a much better player than you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    which is kind of like saying "of COURSE you can't see the unicorns, unicorns are invisible, silly."

  13. #153
    Legendary! Raiju's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    England
    Posts
    6,603
    Quote Originally Posted by Maybe View Post
    Perhaps if my sources of information were that anecdotal but my data comes from actual evaluations rather than personal experience or what the majority assumes which is unreliable and what most of this thread seems to be coming from.
    Most of this thread uses actual data that is linked in the thread, p.s. I just checked out the hunter thread where you got called out badly, best you slink off quietly now
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    which is kind of like saying "of COURSE you can't see the unicorns, unicorns are invisible, silly."

  14. #154
    Okay, Yeah and Maybe, have been trolling in every forum they go into, please do not listen to what any of them have to say as they have misleading info which they cant and wont back up. This is potentially confusing new players which, genuine players are trying to help with the game.

  15. #155
    What are you guys talking about? Warlocks are completely balanced.


  16. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by Paladzins View Post
    They should be nerfed!
    A bit too late, now. They should have been nerfed two tiers ago.

  17. #157
    As a warlock player, I agree that warlocks are a tad over the top right now (I don't say a lot because, if that was the case, even terrible players would be topping LFR meters by a long shot). And I would say that our strongest point isn't DPS right now, but survivability. That is definitely over the top, and I wouldn't be surprised if we have nerfs coming our way.

    However, if your raid is 30% below the Warlock in DPS in a fight that's not Protectors or maybe Paragons (as the OP is stating), your raid is underperforming. A lot. I'd want to take a look into that before wanting the devs swinging the nerfbat.

    And I really, REALLY hope you guys aren't using ranks as a way to tell which class is OP and which class isn't. At this point in this expansion, ranks for all classes are crowded by people in full BiS doing fights with unusual strategies that allows them to do max DPS. I could very likely pull a top 10 world parse for Destruction on Immerseus if I was the only person cleaving adds in the raid (and I've seen that in the logs so, so many times).

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Siphix View Post
    Locks have been broken for this whole expansion

    they either did really good/ highdamage, or low LOW damage

    They either had too many self heals or died to quickly.

    They either had to many CC's not on DR with anything else, or they had nothing
    This expansion? Try the last 3 or so, because that's how I've felt.

    I've always said that Warlocks are more or less THE sandbox class of WoW, and Blizzard has absolutely no idea what to do with us. They're either too overpowered or close to not viable at all in PvE, always, every single patch. We got lucky this expansion because we didn't hit that low at all, but Cata... yeah...

    I like to remember Conflagrate being nerfed after TWENTY-FOUR HOURS back in Ulduar (http://wow.joystiq.com/2009/04/15/hotfixes-for-conflagration-and-ulduar/) as the prime example for this.
    Last edited by Gihelle; 2014-05-25 at 09:03 AM.
    WoW Warlock | D3 Monk | Twitter: @NeryssaBH

    <Did it for Whitney> 14/14H recruiting exceptional players for WoD!

  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by Maybe View Post
    Warlocks are not overpowered in no way, shape or form. They are the most overrated class in the came. Their actual realistic damage output is no where near the widely accepted theoretical output. Their overall damage is actually pretty low compared to mages and priest which are way overtuned this tier. With good RNG fire can outperform any lock by up to 20%


    I'm sorry, I'm not even sure you're playing the same game at this point. Maybe in some random garbage guild that is progressing on normal mode Garrosh, but there simply isn't a single fight this tier where a similarly geared Warlock cannot absolutely school a likewise Priest or Mage.

    (Subtly hoping this is just a massive troll. In which case, well played.)

  19. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by Karlzone View Post
    Rejoice fellow feral druids. It's okay to be incredibly OP (and do 10% more single target damage than any other class) if only it is difficult to accomplish!
    I get where you're coming from though
    We don't though, Aff Locks and Combat rogues still beat us because they actually have good cooldowns, and fights are never perfect 6/9 minute fights where classes who have crazy cooldowns get balanced out with classes who have no good cooldowns.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Benjilol View Post
    Warlocks are really strong cleave right now and they happen to have high single target as well, doesn't mean they are overpowered or broken though
    They are though, and Blizzard has even admitted that they are, but they have also said that it is too late in the tier to bother nerfing Warlocks

  20. #160
    Warlocks are in a very good place atm.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •