chaos bolt in arena

[Faenskap]

Yes, a class with CDs popped is going to hurt. It's not exactly news. Keep in mind that classes hurt in different ways, and while I don't even do arena (outside 2s cap, where I maintain about an impressive 50 % w/l ratio), all of you getting caught in shockwave with a destro warlock's Cds up (and maybe the warrior) just indicate that there is something to learn from this. Learn, improve, move on and realise (and appreciate) the effort of being able to cast Chaos Bolt (with cds no less) in arena.

And ever since my guild forced me play affli for RBGs I do find this thread insulting

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Are you stupid? Do you PvP at all? Yes, afflic may be overall better, but there are plenty of destros at high MMR, you coil 2 targets and cast chaos bolt=GG. Thugonomics, a multi rank 1 lock who streams, plays destro at like 2600 MMR.

Isn't this like saying Ret is totally viable because Vanguards plays it at high rating?

Edit: I looked at locks in 3s for Eu, between 2k-3k rating. There are 89 locks, 7 of which are destro, and two had the same name so I guess same char, and for US it's 15 out of 75. I wouldn't call it "plenty"

[Skarssen]

Making a spell hard to get off and requiring some setup in return for quite a bit of dmg isn't a bad thing imo.

Unless its a DK or warrior, then it would be unacceptable. But as long as its a wizard doing it things are fine.....

[Deleted]

Damage in general is just out of control. Compare one chaos bolt to one brain freeze FFB + two FoF Ice lances. That would be comparable damage wise, except CB can be prevented because it has a long cast time and the mage spells are instant casts. I bet it would also be comparable to a few ambushes in Shadow Dance or enhance shammies coming at you with Ascendance (that is really the most ridiculous burst ever).

[Fatswagx]

Firstly, OP was hit with a 211k chaos bolt. Thats not even as big as they get! But people fail to understand the amount of things that need to line up in order to get that sort of damage off. In arenas, i've been hit by 150k ice lances, and all that involves is lining up trinket procs with incanters and popping orb, altering your procs and spamming the ice lance button until your target is dead.

Damage in general is just out of control. Compare one chaos bolt to one brain freeze FFB + two FoF Ice lances. That would be comparable damage wise, except CB can be prevented because it has a long cast time and the mage spells are instant casts. I bet it would also be comparable to a few ambushes in Shadow Dance or enhance shammies coming at you with Ascendance (that is really the most ridiculous burst ever).

This man has an excellent point. People enjoy overlooking the fact that there are other classes/specs capable of the same burst WITHOUT EVER NEEDING TO CAST!

Secondly, Destro is forced out of viability because of the fact that casters that actually HAVE TO CAST to get damage off suffer horribly in high-end PvP. The only exception being Rated Battlegrounds. But when that LOOOOONG 3 second cast finally gets off with jade spirit/double trinkets and dark soul, maybe a blood fury to top it all off, the results are menacingly huge. As they should be.

And last but not least, if you were hit with ANY Chaos Bolt in any sort of PvP, the only person you have to blame for soaking that damage is YOURSELF. Pally/Lock fear, mage poly, and dozens of other single target hard-CC take FAR less time to spam than it does to cast a Chaos Bolt, even with Backdraft stacks. So please, next time you get one-shot by a Chaos Bolt that you did not respect, take the time out to understand why you ate that COLOSSAL 3-second casted Chaos Bolt instead of taking to the forums about how broken you think it is.

[Coldhearth]

because chaos bolts are almost impossible to cast against a competent team.

Wrong as usual. Chaos bolts go off all the time. It's called CC.

[Alvito]

Erm, you kinda proved his point. "Aff is better, but there are still destro locks."

There is always going to be people playing every class and spec. I have run into stupid prot warrior, prot pally, blood dk 3s teams. Just because a few idiots are willing and wanting to do something doesn't mean it is a smart thing to do.

[Deja Thoris]

It's not as if other specs can't do the same damage in the same time window. It's just a CB is a signature move and its one big hit instead of many piddly ones that add up.

If anything its easier to stop one big hit than many little ones too. Tho "took a big hit that took 3 seconds to cast, must be the game and not l2p issues" so we'd better all come to the forums and moan seems like the correct way to deal with it.

[Soisoisoi]

Chaos Bolt's long cast for high damage is a good tradeoff, but Locks alone have far too much CC atm so it's not really a problem to cast :|

[Tya]

There is always going to be people playing every class and spec. I have run into stupid prot warrior, prot pally, blood dk 3s teams. Just because a few idiots are willing and wanting to do something doesn't mean it is a smart thing to do.

31% of all locks above 1800+ is "a few idiots"?

Where exactly did you learn stats?

[druidizer]

just going to put this out there as a boomkin reforging purely for haste and crit so less burst just more sustained damage, and taking HotW (least burst 90 talent) i get 200k~ in Arenas wouldn't be surprised to see 250k possible when gearing for big numbers. Also keep in mind lock could be human with double trinkets, doesn't really seem at all surprising

But being a boomkin my chances of being nerfed are fairly slim hehe :P

[Alvito]

31% of all locks above 1800+ is "a few idiots"?

Where exactly did you learn stats?

ALL locks which isn't just destruction. Where did you learn the difference between class and spec?

[Baltasar]

100% crit is retarded as fuck

[Kildragon]

Here we go again. Yes this is normal. No it's not OP. Yes destro is viable and takes a damn good teamto pull off. Mages, warriors, rogues, and ele shams can all burst that hard in the same time frame just with all instants. Chaos bolt has had the problem of everything in one hit plus huge animation and always crits all expansion.

Yes it's possible to get chaos bolts off in high rated pvp but it takes a ton of set up. For a 2.8 second cast the damage is perfectly justifiable. People act like simply the ability for us to do this damage is broken. It's not.

And to get rid of the misinformation in this thread, a chaos bolt with full buffs plus double dps trinket, lightweave, jade spirit, and dark soul will crit for 240k on a target with no passive damage reduction and no absorbs up like a spriest.

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Oh and anyone saying they crit for 270k with a CB is a liar unless they had skull banner or tricks from a rogue. I've done plenty of duels against my friends to test CB damage. 244k is the highest I've seen as an orc with every cd and proc up plus mastery, kings, etc.

[Fabled]

Only 200k? Damn you got off easy. Full on mastery locks can hit for a lot more.

[Deleted]

Oh and anyone saying they crit for 270k with a CB is a liar unless they had skull banner or tricks from a rogue. I've done plenty of duels against my friends to test CB damage. 244k is the highest I've seen as an orc with every cd and proc up plus mastery, kings, etc.

I've done multiple 250k+'s running lsx as a human lock with tailoring

[Hand Banana]

It's not a viable spec at all in high rated arenas. The enemy team see that you're destro and they will make damn sure you don't cast those bitches off.

No Chaos Bolt for a Destro Lock = Useless Destro Lock

MLS with a destro is pretty good right now. 100k Conflags and 90k incinerates are doing just fine if you can't get a CB off. MLS with a destro is particularly brutal from my experience, both dps have spammable cc on diff DRs and 100-0 in 3 seconds capabilities.

[ComputerNerd]

This is the situation blizzard describe as "the stars lining up".
It is not typical, it is not common.
If the issue was frequent then you would have something to complain about, but instead you opt to highlight the extreme example without any consideration for context.

[Tya]

ALL locks which isn't just destruction. Where did you learn the difference between class and spec?

Yeah, you're too confused to bother explaining this to.

[DarkSock]

211K damage? Looks like ya need to be geared. That only happens on fresh 90's not wearing PVP gear.

Full Prideful can take a CB with full cool downs and it usually comes to about 112K damage or so.

[Deleted]

211K damage? Looks like ya need to be geared. That only happens on fresh 90's not wearing PVP gear.

Full Prideful can take a CB with full cool downs and it usually comes to about 112K damage or so.

Seems like you need to gear your warlock more because 112k with cooldowns is really really low lol