Upgrading to new PC

[Nishida]

Budget: $2000-$3000 (flexible)
Resolution: 1920x1200 or better
Games / Settings Desired: Wow, streaming, other high-graphic intensive games, bit mining on off-hours
Any other intensive software or special things you do: Streaming / Bit-mining. Possible video editing / 3D Cad designing - ** Want a custom Water cooling system to add to things as well ** (Case must have plenty of space for cable management, cooling system, and then some)
Country: USA
Parts that can be reused: I do have a i7 980x 3.33ghz cpu (however would like to replace if possible).
Do you need an OS?: Currently running Win7 (64bit)
Do you need peripherals (e.g. monitor, mouse, keyboard, speakers, etc): No.


http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/3OrD9

Something I had made an attempt to part together, although I'm rather rusty with this, since It's been quite a while since the last time I assembled a DIY computer project. I appreciate the help gentlemen (and women).

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Build first but some things to note after:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4820K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($313.96 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI X79A-GD45 Plus ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($224.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($75.60 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($75.60 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290X 4GB Tri-X Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($549.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290X 4GB Tri-X Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($549.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 750D ATX Full Tower Case ($149.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 P2 1000W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($188.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: LG WH16NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $2419.08
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-22 01:34 EDT-0400)

GPU's - If you intend to run at least 1440p or 1600p and it'll be high end games (so not WoW, LoL etc.) then CF is fine, could probably even just do R9 290's both for mining and gaming I'm not really sure the 290X is worth the extra premium, not to mention the extra power consumption. Speaking of power, since you're not going with Nvidia expect these to be able to suck A LOT of power. A 860i could probably/maybe do it but as soon as you start overclocking some game like in BF4 (all maxed) and mining of course you will see much higher draw and running your PSU maxed out is not optimal. Either way this 1000W EVGA is around the same price so shouldn't be an issue and the review is excellent from Jonnyguru

CPU Heatsink - Didn't include one since you mentioned custom loop but you can add whichever you prefer if you're not water cooling right away, there is no heatsink in the box for CPU.

SSD/HDD - You didn't have any HDD in your build so I assume you already have that taken care of. 250GB is good for SSD, if you have a lot of big games you could even opt for 500GB if budget allows for it but obviously not a must.

CPU/MB - I guess you could wait for unlocked Haswell refresh CPU's with Z97 motherboard and spend slightly less overall but with the LG2011 you won't have to wait, you'll get more PCI-E lanes and little bit better CPU for rendering and such. Gaming wise it makes little to no difference.

ODD - Do you really need a Blu-Ray writer? I included since you did.

Case - I just picked the Corsair 750D you had selected, it's an excellent case. I don't know if you like the aesthetics of this one but I thought I'd mention it as well:

Corsair Carbide Series Air 540 Just look up some reviews if you're interested.

Or even Cooler Master Storm Stryker (White) if you're into white cases... (Storm Trooper Black version)

[Nishida]

[PCPartPicker part list](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3QRJo) / [Price breakdown by merchant](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3QRJo/by_merchant/) / [Benchmarks](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3QRJo/benchmarks/)

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [Intel Core i7-4820K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80633i74820k) | $313.96 @ SuperBiiz
**CPU Cooler** | [Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-cpu-cooler-h100i) | $99.98 @ OutletPC
**Motherboard** | [MSI X79A-GD45 Plus ATX LGA2011 Motherboard](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-mot...d-x79agd45plus) | $224.99 @ Newegg
**Memory** | [G.Skill Trident X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-...32400c10q32gtx) | $360.98 @ Newegg
**Storage** | [Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung...ive-mz7te250bw) | $139.99 @ Best Buy
**Storage** | [Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western...drive-wd10ezex) | $59.23 @ OutletPC
**Video Card** | [Sapphire Radeon R9 290 4GB Tri-X Video Card](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/sapphir...card-1003622sr) (2-Way CrossFire) | $399.99 @ Newegg
**Video Card** | [Sapphire Radeon R9 290 4GB Tri-X Video Card](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/sapphir...card-1003622sr) (2-Way CrossFire) | $399.99 @ Newegg
**Case** | [Corsair 750D ATX Full Tower Case](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-750d) | $129.99 @ Newegg
**Power Supply** | [EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 P2 1000W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-po...ly-220p21000xr) | $188.99 @ Amazon
**Optical Drive** | [Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-op...rw24b1stblkbas) | $16.99 @ Newegg
**Operating System** | [Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/microsoft-os-wn700615) | $89.98 @ OutletPC
| | **Total**
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available. | $2425.06
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-26 11:22 EDT-0400 |

After doing some small changes, this is what I came up with. Many have mentioned that the new Haswell cpu/mobo's are coming out soon, would those new additions to the public change the way I have my rig setup? Good/Bad? Any more changes would you guys prefer? Opinions would be great

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$360 for RAM is a lot. Are you certain you need that amount? If so maybe shave off $60 and get something like this:

G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 CAS 9 1866 RAM is plenty fine.

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4930K 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor ($569.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Swiftech H220 55.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($109.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus X79 Deluxe ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($325.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($319.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($104.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial M550 512GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($284.99 @ TigerDirect)
Storage: Western Digital AV-GP 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 290X 4GB Black Edition Double Dissipation Video Card ($549.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Rosewill BLACKHAWK-ULTRA ATX Full Tower Case ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic X Series 1050W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($187.04 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $2832.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-27 03:10 EDT-0400)

I've sacrificed the second 290X in order to improve your renderingt performance by including a 'scratch' disk for perfromaing and storing the render work that you do, I've also gone for the 4930k, which is also partly relevant.

[Nishida]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4930K 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor ($569.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Swiftech H220 55.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($109.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus X79 Deluxe ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($325.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($319.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($104.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial M550 512GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($284.99 @ TigerDirect)
Storage: Western Digital AV-GP 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 290X 4GB Black Edition Double Dissipation Video Card ($549.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Rosewill BLACKHAWK-ULTRA ATX Full Tower Case ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic X Series 1050W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($187.04 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $2832.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-27 03:10 EDT-0400)

I've sacrificed the second 290X in order to improve your renderingt performance by including a 'scratch' disk for perfromaing and storing the render work that you do, I've also gone for the 4930k, which is also partly relevant.

I'm aiming for more on the hardcore/heavy gaming side over amateur video rendering/editing. Also, any recommendations towards a solid soundcard / equalizer setup? Along side the heavy/high gaming setup, the GPU(s) have to be worthy for amateur bitmining / litecoin mining on the casual level.

Another question - with the new Haswell refresh cpu's coming out, would you recommend these new ones over current?

Again, the video editing/3d graphics is all novice level and isn't intended to be used as if I had a full time job in computer graphics

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As far as I know the unlocked Haswell refresh chips will be delayed. The X79 will still be good for quite some time. Could save some money by just getting a pair of R9 290, they're still very good but with a smaller premium and less stress on the PSU.

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I'm aiming for more on the hardcore/heavy gaming side over amateur video rendering/editing. Also, any recommendations towards a solid soundcard / equalizer setup? Along side the heavy/high gaming setup, the GPU(s) have to be worthy for amateur bitmining / litecoin mining on the casual level.

Another question - with the new Haswell refresh cpu's coming out, would you recommend these new ones over current?

Again, the video editing/3d graphics is all novice level and isn't intended to be used as if I had a full time job in computer graphics

That makes sense - sow ith that in mind:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4820K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($323.95 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Swiftech H220 55.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus X79 Deluxe ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($325.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($319.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital AV-GP 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290X 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($545.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290X 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($545.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 750D ATX Full Tower Case ($129.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 1050W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $2771.83
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-30 02:53 EDT-0400)

Leaves you ~$230 for a high-quality DAC to go with the onboard 7:1 audio for now. dual-290X is pretty good for mining purposes, and will render stuff extremely well. Honestly, if you had the extra money, I would think about recommending the 295X2, but that's a bit extreme.

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Why the changes from my original build?

Sure extra RAM if 32GB is really needed. The 1866MHz CAS 9 is probably about the same as 2133 CAS 11 or close enough that it doesn't matter all that much, just get the best price/performance.

GPU's Windforce or Tri-X at the same price, not sure which is considered better but if you looked it up and the Gigabyte seem a better buy at the same price then go for it.

The PSU is about the same price so why not pick the higher efficiency with no MIR. The unit is excellent by the way.

Why spend an extra $100 on the motherboard, is the MSI model missing anything?

Mine didn't include a CPU heatsink for reasons explained already (custom loop).

Missing the HDD which I also explained but that's easy to add.

Just saying, if there is already a good build then maybe if you add something different it would be nice to add why X and Y is added instead and what makes it better, more reasonable, fit a certain need etc.

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Also, any recommendations towards a solid soundcard / equalizer setup?

With that in mind, I would skip the Xfire 290X and go for a Xfire 290. And use the money saved there for a soundcard/amp.

Just have a look here for some more information

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Why the changes from my original build?

Sure extra RAM if 32GB is really needed. The 1866MHz CAS 9 is probably about the same as 2133 CAS 11 or close enough that it doesn't matter all that much, just get the best price/performance.

GPU's Windforce or Tri-X at the same price, not sure which is considered better but if you looked it up and the Gigabyte seem a better buy at the same price then go for it.

The PSU is about the same price so why not pick the higher efficiency with no MIR. The unit is excellent by the way.

Why spend an extra $100 on the motherboard, is the MSI model missing anything?

Mine didn't include a CPU heatsink for reasons explained already (custom loop).

Missing the HDD which I also explained but that's easy to add.

Just saying, if there is already a good build then maybe if you add something different it would be nice to add why X and Y is added instead and what makes it better, more reasonable, fit a certain need etc.

No arguments on the RAM, but I feel that the 2133 is probably marginally better, dependent on the pricing, so I'm open to change on the size, but not the number of sticks, as the boards in the X79/upcoming X99 are all quad-channel. The GPU, I pushed for initially as the DD Black seems to just blow the others out of the water at the original price point - now it's back up to where it is, I'd look as either the one I chose of the others that aren't reference-cooled. I chose the Swiftech H220 as it's essentially a hybrid closed loop, with the option of adding it to a custom loop adding flexibility.

Honestly, any of the builds here are good, but my opinion is that my original was the best for heavy render work. Now that I know that's not what the rig is to be designed for, I've modified my listing accordingly. Hence why I suggested an external DAC for the audio work - to reduce component interference even further (which Zeara has wonderfully covered in the OC3D link posted).

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I was referring to your second "updated" build in comparison to my original build.

but not the number of sticks, as the boards in the X79/upcoming X99 are all quad-channel.

There is 4 sticks in my build too

As for the GPU see my first comment.

Again, the added cooling option is fine I was just waiting for confirmation since I assumed a custom loop.

Your second build just seemed like changes for the sake of making changes (comparing to my first one, few exceptions) with no explanation, I know you responded to OP's latest explanation but still. No biggie though...

[Nishida]

Ultimately I would like a custom loop. I'm still trying to look around if there's any "Kits" or if everything is done by ordering diff. parts

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To be honest I don't know all that much about custom liquid cooling. Do you want to cool just the CPU or also the GPUs? If you're cooling the GPUs you'd want to buy reference cards. If you're not doing the GPUs maybe consider just buying a good AIO liquid cooler for the CPU and be done with it? Or buy something fairly cheap for a temporary solution?

[Nishida]

To be honest I don't know all that much about custom liquid cooling. Do you want to cool just the CPU or also the GPUs? If you're cooling the GPUs you'd want to buy reference cards. If you're not doing the GPUs maybe consider just buying a good AIO liquid cooler for the CPU and be done with it? Or buy something fairly cheap for a temporary solution?

Yeah, I think at this point, I'm better off going with AIO cooler until I figure out exactly what I want to do with the rest (possibly GPU cooling and/or ram). Do these reference cards cost much more then the originals?

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The ones in the builds here in the thread are non-reference, meaning they're from MSI, ASUS, Sapphire etc. with aftermarket cooling solutions, custom PCB sometimes, they're the more expensive ones.

Reference cards comes straight from AMD/Nvidia with stock coolers. They are the cheapest, also sold by those brands I mentioned but not really modified, just different things in the box and a different sticker with their logo.

Reference:



non-reference:

[Nishida]

I wanted to wait for the new hashwell chips to come out as well as the mobo's to see what the prices would be. I did modify the build a bit and wanted some input. Mainly more information on the GPU's.

I'll be running two monitors, wanting ultra settings in not just wow, but any and all games I choose to play (i understand this is very broad, so I guess just take a medium between BF4 and WoW on ultra). The rest of what i'm hoping to do with my computer is all amateur / novice and just 'toying around with' as one would put it. Another thing, I'm hoping to begin streaming, or trying it out.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($339.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VII HERO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Z Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($300.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290X 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($509.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290X 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($509.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 750D ATX Full Tower Case ($129.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 1050W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($152.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 Professional (OEM) (64-bit) ($139.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $2575.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-18 02:41 EDT-0400


P.S. If I can drop the price down a tad, would be great. I understand I set my budget between $2500 - $3000. It's so I can have some room for other 'non-important' things.

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The build is fine as it is. You can save money of course. I find 32GB or ram way too much, what kind of 3d work do you intent to that you will need more than 16gb? The board is awesome but you can buy a cheaper one. For a 2.5k$ build 240gb ssd seems low hehe, there is also the new Crucial MX out. Also if you intent to do so much 3d work don't you need more hdd capacity? I mean anything that would maybe need more than 16gb of ram, i would imagine big damn files and such that your storage will run out in no time.

So to sum it up, i changed the ssd to 512gb (you can still go back to 240), 16GB or ram, 2TB hdd storage and cheaper mobo. You gained and still overall price dropped a bit.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($339.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($143.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($146.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($218.46 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital AV-GP 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290X 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($509.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290X 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($509.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 750D ATX Full Tower Case ($129.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 1050W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($152.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 Professional (OEM) (64-bit) ($139.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $2502.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-18 03:56 EDT-0400

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Drop the 290x to a 290. SHould save you about 200 bucks without really losing any performance.
Get the new MX100 SSD from crucial. Should be a bit cheaper than the M500, but is a tad faster.
You can drop down to an i5 to safe a bit more money.

[Nishida]

Made some changes Kostattoo and Zeara suggested..

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($339.99 @ TigerDirect)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VII HERO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($146.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($218.46 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290X 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($504.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290X 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($504.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 750D ATX Full Tower Case ($129.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 1050W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro - 64-bit (OEM) (64-bit) ($129.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $2510.33
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-19 15:08 EDT-0400

I plan to start buying these pieces in the next 3-4 weeks, so if there's anything "new and better" coming out, or last minute changes, this is what I plan to go with. As I mentioned before, outside of the gaming world, every activity/hobby I plan to get into is all novice and beginning, so it's nothing hardcore (don't prioritize those over these games!).