Florida Business decides to pay "living wage" ahead of any Min Wage updates

[Bullettime]

Yeah who would think that paying your employees more meant: you retain better employees, they're happier, they can afford to spend their money on leisure items which boosts business across the board, etc. But beware if you say anything bad about capitalism you're a socialist piece of shit. Pfft I'm tired of the people who are getting fucked by the current systems claiming we shouldn't be getting better. You DESERVE to be able to live life with a little wiggle room. Sure if you aren't good with your finances that's on you, but the average Joe-blow should be able to live without it being paycheck to paycheck.

I enjoyed working at Wal-Mart where managers would always complain about the turnover, declining productivity, and constantly having to train new hires, but conveniently ignored the fact that people were paid 7.65 an hour for often degrading work, completely random and often illegal schedules, working understaffed, and many times the more experienced workers (people who had been there about 10 months or so and were totally acclimated to the job) were cut for "department downsizing" to avoid having to pay them health benefits as they closed in on one year of employment.

A happy workplace is a productive workplace.

[Vyxn]

That said, this place raised their minimum wage and didn't somehow peter out like the doomsayers say they should have. So I guess raising the federal minimum wage, won't adversely affect other businesses either.

there is a difference between business individually deciding on their own to raise wages and the government across the board forcing them to do so

when a business decides to do so with out being forced he will be able to hire better employees then the businesses that do not, because he is offering more pay to attract that better employee and with that better employee he can offer a better service and or product but at a higher cost
but if everyone is forced to pay that wage service and or product quality wont increase and we are still at where we started just with a higher cost for the service and or product

[Cthulhu 2020]

there is a difference between business individually deciding on their own to raise wages and the government across the board forcing them to do so

when a business decides to do so with out being forced he will be able to hire better employees then the businesses that do not, because he is offering more pay to attract that better employee and with that better employee he can offer a better service and or product but at a higher cost
but if everyone is forced to pay that wage service and or product quality wont increase and we are still at where we started just with a higher cost for the service and or product

But when everyone is paid less, aggregate demand drops, and businesses lose money because less people are buying because they don't have the money. Not that I expect you to learn basic economics, we've been over this hundreds of times.

[Elegiac]

there is a difference between business individually deciding on their own to raise wages and the government across the board forcing them to do so

Yes. The former happens very rarely unless spurred.

when a business decides to do so with out being forced he will be able to hire better employees then the businesses that do not, because he is offering more pay to attract that better employee and with that better employee he can offer a better service and or product but at a higher cost
but if everyone is forced to pay that wage service and or product quality wont increase and we are still at where we started just with a higher cost for the service and or product

Your argument has already been disproven repeatedly in countless threads.

I suggest you get it into your skull that you have no ground to stand on as regards the minimum wage.

[satimy]

good it should be a state and local issue.

[Elegiac]

good it should be a state and local issue.

State and local governments are crap at social welfare unless forced.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

good it should be a state and local issue.

As if they're somehow more logical and moral then federal level.

[Cthulhu 2020]

State and local governments are crap at social welfare unless forced.

Considering low wages kill aggregate demand, they're not just bad at social welfare, they're bad at economics..

[Vyxn]

But when everyone is paid less, aggregate demand drops, and businesses lose money because less people are buying because they don't have the money. Not that I expect you to learn basic economics, we've been over this hundreds of times.

yes we have been over this
and if your premise is true. why don't we make the minimum wage to be 500 dollars an hour then every one that works full time will be millionaires in a year and demand would jump through the roof and everyone would be happy. correct?

[cuafpr]

federal wage should be low, let states, counties, cities adjust as needed for that area... in most places I've lived which goes from cali to the midwest to the south, and south east... you can live of min wage. You may only get a small one bed room place or a roommate or even family but its doable. Also never had an issue getting a raise well past min wage within a year via working hard and talking with my boss about what I needed to do to move up the pay scale.

also plenty of jobs out there that pay way more than min wage.. but they are physical labor / crap hour jobs that people are "too good" for. want to make six digits+ a year.. learn wielding via apprenticeship for a few months (years?) and follow the oil field work currently in ND. just one example.

[Elegiac]

federal wage should be low, let states, counties, cities adjust as needed for that area... in most places I've lived which goes from cali to the midwest to the south, and south east... you can live of min wage. You may only get a small one bed room place or a roommate or even family but its doable. Also never had an issue getting a raise well past min wage within a year via working hard and talking with my boss about what I needed to do to move up the pay scale.

Anecdotal evidence. Also, we're letting the states decide the minimum wage, and wages are still being suppressed across the board.

When will you people get it into your heads that individual experience is irrelevant to social problems.

[Vyxn]

Yes. The former happens very rarely unless spurred.



Your argument has already been disproven repeatedly in countless threads.

I suggest you get it into your skull that you have no ground to stand on as regards the minimum wage.

then answer this
why don't we make the minimum wage to be 500 dollars an hour then every one that works full time will be millionaires in a year and demand would jump through the roof and everyone would be happy. correct? if not correct why?
that needs to be answered before you can claim you debunked anything

[Durandro]

Minimum wage effects pretty much all lower end hourly jobs.

If a bagger makes the same amount as your stockers, the stockers aren't going to be happy. If your assistant managers are getting the same pay as stockers they aren't happy with getting pay capped at their level so they go up. Managers go up. People in other fields say "hey they are making almost as much as me why should I get the same as them?".

Minimum wage pretty much improves the lives of all lower class citizens even if they aren't making minimum wage currently.

That being said, I think the worst jobs should be paid reasonably well anyway. I mean if a job is hard, unsocial, boring and degrading then why should you also get paid horseshit for your labour? I'd probably even be in favour of managers earning very little extra - after all, they have a position of authority and respect, and probably get a company car and expenses anyway, so why should they get paid twice as much on top of that?

But again, that being said... I'll settle for people just being paid enough to survive on reasonably comfortably. Its not like society would implode if the very richest were earning very slightly less to help keep the very poorest from starving or losing their homes. But then 'Communism' tends to be the responce.

[Gheld]

If Reaganomics doesn't work then why were the 1980s such a veritable golden age?

[Durandro]

then answer this
why don't we make the minimum wage to be 500 dollars an hour then every one that works full time will be millionaires in a year and demand would jump through the roof and everyone would be happy. correct? if not correct why?
that needs to be answered before you can claim you debunked anything

Because that would cause hyperinflation and completely devalue money. And you know that, and you know your argument was riddled with hyperbole, and you know you can't compare that to raising minimum wages to a level where people can actually survive without the government having to help them.

At least I hope you know that. Otherwise...

[Xeones]

yes we have been over this
and if your premise is true. why don't we make the minimum wage to be 500 dollars an hour then every one that works full time will be millionaires in a year and demand would jump through the roof and everyone would be happy. correct?

Why do you keep doing this?

The goal of minimum wage isn't to make people kings, it's to let them survive on their own.

[Durandro]

If Reaganomics doesn't work then why were the 1980s such a veritable golden age?

It was an unsustainable bubble of confidence. That's the real problem. Heck, there was a crash in 1987 to 'prove' it. The stock market was leading everyone to believe there was more then there actually was, and when it was suddenly revealed to be false... Nosedive.

[Cthulhu 2020]

yes we have been over this
and if your premise is true. why don't we make the minimum wage to be 500 dollars an hour then every one that works full time will be millionaires in a year and demand would jump through the roof and everyone would be happy. correct?

And this has been answered. A steep increase like 500 hour is not possible, but a small increase like 15 is. It's why many states have staggered stages to increasing their min wage, where big businesses with lots of profits that can absorb the initial increase before aggregate demand goes up. Then later small business. The market takes time to adjust, and people's spending habits only increase months after a wage increase. That and minimum wage is supposed to be a starting point, a point from which everyone can afford the basics and go up from there. If you can't afford the basics, then you rely on government assistance.

[Vyxn]

Why do you keep doing this?

The goal of minimum wage isn't to make people kings, it's to let them survive on their own.

I keep doing it because I never get a straight answer
if raising the minimum wage to 10 per hour is good and helps the economy raising it to 20 will be twice as good wouldn't it? and 30 would be 3 times as good

[Durandro]

Why do you keep doing this?

The goal of minimum wage isn't to make people kings, it's to let them survive on their own.

*pat*

Mind you, there is a suggestion that if the world was run properly then everyone could live very comfortably. Not quite as 'kings', but we could all have a decent home and income.