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  1. #401
    Wrath was number one for me, it's were I started raiding and joined a proper guild and the 'real' game opened up for me. Cata isn't as bad as people are saying, yeah it had it's issues but Firelands and DS were both quality raids with interesting bosses. I've also enjoyed MoP quite a bit but worry about WoD. Only time will tell.

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    For me MoP has been pretty good. The panda/Asian theme isn't the greatest but I do like the raids and mechanics of the fights though.

    One downside I can think of, although I'm not a big PvP'er at all, it just doesn't feel as nice as previous expansions for PvP

  3. #403
    MoP had the best raiding, best tanking situation, best DPS situation.

    MoP had the worst patch release timings, worst healing situation, worst alt-grind ever.

    I'd say it's a solid 2nd (BC > MoP > Wrath > Cata > Vanilla)

  4. #404
    Quote Originally Posted by Kryos View Post
    MoP was one of the best Expansions if you put down nostalgia glasses and try to be objective.
    I'm being objective (lol, cant sorry, its all subjective, you want a dictionary?), and I'd go Wrath>TBC>cata=MoP

    Your milage may differ, but plain fact is, its all opinion.

  5. #405
    Quote Originally Posted by Houyi View Post
    I'm being objective (lol, cant sorry, its all subjective, you want a dictionary?), and I'd go Wrath>TBC>cata=MoP

    Your milage may differ, but plain fact is, its all opinion.
    One more thing to add to this:

    TBC Last Tier: 20 raid bosses (completely new and varied environments)

    Mop Last Tier: 14 raid bosses (50% rehashed raid environments, Vale of eternal blossoms, first half of orgrimmar, lol they even rehashed from rage fire chasm)

    You do the math.
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  6. #406
    TBC Last Tier: Spread out between 3 raids, two of which were released in one patch, the other released on the final patch. One raid completely rehashed from WC3 with all it's bosses. Other two smaller raids.
    MoP Last Tier: a 14 raid boss that had a siege of a Horde capital. About 25% of it was in the world before the patch.

    Now what you should do is compare the last raid of each expansion.
    TBC Last Raid: 6 bosses
    MoP Last Raid: 14 bosses.

    You do the math.

  7. #407
    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    TBC Last Tier: Spread out between 3 raids, two of which were released in one patch, the other released on the final patch. One raid completely rehashed from WC3 with all it's bosses. Other two smaller raids.
    MoP Last Tier: a 14 raid boss that had a siege of a Horde capital. About 25% of it was in the world before the patch.

    Now what you should do is compare the last raid of each expansion.
    TBC Last Raid: 6 bosses
    MoP Last Raid: 14 bosses.

    You do the math.
    Your math skills are terrible, even if you were trying to somehow say that the battle for mount hyjal was somehow not new (which it was)

    9 bosses in Black Temple, 6 in Sunwell. That makes 15 even if the 5 in Hyjal were "not new"

    The battle for mount hyjal was a completely new raid dungeon. We didn't get to raid in Warcraft 3 now did we? As far as the MMO is concerned it was brand spanking new. Seige of Orgrimmar is not brand spanking new. like i said 50% of it was already there before the decided to put a raid into a horde capital city.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaylock View Post
    Your math skills are terrible, even if you were trying to somehow say that the battle for mount hyjal was somehow not new (which it was)

    9 bosses in Black Temple, 6 in Sunwell. That makes 15 even if the 5 in Hyjal were "not new"

    The battle for mount hyjal was a completely new raid dungeon. We didn't get to raid in Warcraft 3 now did we? As far as the MMO is concerned it was brand spanking new. Seige of Orgrimmar is not brand spanking new. like i said 50% of it was already there before the decided to put a raid into a horde capital city.
    More like 30%, as the first part and the third and fourth part either container parts never seem before, or were completely new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Floopa View Post
    MoP had the best raiding, best tanking situation, best DPS situation.

    MoP had the worst patch release timings, worst healing situation, worst alt-grind ever.

    I'd say it's a solid 2nd (BC > MoP > Wrath > Cata > Vanilla)
    Care to elaboreret on the patch release timings?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venziir View Post
    More like 30%, as the first part and the third and fourth part either container parts never seem before, or were completely new.
    I include the vale of eternal sorrows as part of the rehash. We already saw nourshen, we already saw the areas where the protectors are, we already saw the mine via a scenario, we already saw the room where the sha is chillin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    Do you really need to keep making threads like these? I thought you got plenty of responses in your other thread.

    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...ous-expansions
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    There is no such thing as "ability bloat" just l2fp.

  11. #411
    Quote Originally Posted by 1ns View Post
    This. How can mods not do anything about this already?
    It would be considered a necro if I were to post in that thread. The mods have already said if its more than a few months old, create a new thread.
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  12. #412
    Some of the mechanic changes and additions to the game I liked.
    But the over all theme and story were terrible to me. I hated the Asian theme as it didn't really fit Warcraft, and I HATE troll content.. PLEASE STOP.
    It seems like when they run out of ideas, they say, hey lets just make some new troll content and re-use all the old troll content.
    AOE Poison Check, AOE Silence Check, on and on, they are by far the shallowest puddle of wow and they keep trying to reuse it.
    And just watch they will find a way to include trolls in WoD, even though they don't exist on Draenor.

    If they mixed the story of Cata, with the structure(features and improvements) of MoP, it would have been a wonderful expac.
    Well if they didn't let content last over 9 months....

    While I like the sound and direction of WoD so far..
    I am less than enthused to go from 9+ months of SoO to fighting MORE orcs in WoD.
    They should have planned that a bit better.. Maybe should have done SoO then ToT?

    I would say:
    Wrath > Cata = TBC > Vanilla > MoP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vedni View Post
    Wow, the general opinion that TBC was bad is really gaining steam. It was significantly more popular than Cata/MoP, how bad could it have been?
    I can't really judge since I started playing near the end of TBC, but everything I heard/saw about it appeases me.
    It's something i've noticed on here before, players who've admitted to not even playing during TBC have shit on it saying why and how it's a bad expac. Usually to defend the expac they started in.

    Then anybody who says anything positive about TBC gets told to take off nostalgia goggles.

  14. #414
    I really don't get what the big hype about TBC is and why every thread about every other expansion derails into how "awesome" it was. I've gone over it in the past but TBC released a massive amount of useless, unpopular or gamebreaking new "features" that did nothing but water down the game, and took you from the expansive world of Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor to this tiny, circle-shaped sandbox world that you could traverse in ten minutes. Enough of the nostalgia glasses, people. BC was really not very good at all. If you actually looked at it from an objective view there is no way it was better than virtually any expansion except maybe Cataclysm. I don't doubt that most of you barely played it or started playing the game during BC and as such it was your first experience with the game. That doesn't make it good.

    I get the feeling that in the future people will look back on MoP (excluding the abysmal foresight with patch release dates, jesus christ) and remember it as a solid and enjoyable expansion. Aside from the drawn-out SoO patch there was really nothing I can say that went "wrong" with MoP, except maybe (arguably) the talent system and the legendary cloak questline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaylock View Post
    I include the vale of eternal sorrows as part of the rehash. We already saw nourshen, we already saw the areas where the protectors are, we already saw the mine via a scenario, we already saw the room where the sha is chillin.
    Yes heavens Forbid that they re-use something, story telling, common sense and cohesion be Damned!... That said, Immerseus' room was brand new, as was the room of the Sha of Pride.
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    • Lack of interesting raids
      - Define "interesting".
    • Lack of creative raid mechanics
      - Uh... Define "creative"?
    • Asian style theme not fitting for the WoW universe
      - Native american theme - fine. Mongol theme - fine. Egypt theme - fine. Greek theme - fine. Asian theme - "not fitting"? Much logic. Wow.
    • Major emphasis on panda bears
      - Again, purely subjective. I like pandas more than goblins.
    • Terrible, complicated gearing system / ilvl system
      - How is it more complicated than anything we've seen before? Higher ilevel = good. Is it too complicated for you?
    • Instant gratification gear catch up system
      - As opposed to being hopelessly behind after taking a small break at any point of the expansion? Heck, it looks like a good thing to me.
    • 9 months of SoO and counting...
      - Not any different from any previous expansion.
    • The illusion of a ton of things to do, when in reality it was still a "sit in town and que up expansion"
      - It's all comparative, mkay? It sure as hell has more things to do than Cata.
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    Well I can only speak for me, but I think overall I had a pretty good time with MoP. I'm not gonna sit here and say it hasn't gone on too long (cause it kinda has, lol) or that SoO is a bit old for lots of folks (including me, a Flex hero lol) but I think it was a good one. Yeah the dailies were kinda poo-ish and upon early review were pretty much mandatory (or something close to that) but I think over time it has become pretty neat.

    I mean I see posts calling every single expansion the "death" of WoW or the "worst" xpac or what have you; no matter what they do in ANY expansion, it's going to eventually garner some hatred. I'm pretty neutral towards WoD so far and I still think that BC was the "best" time this game has had so far, but that's just me, and Blizz isn't going to be able to please everybody, no matter what they do or how many free lap dances they hand out. I dunno, I mean I've even had fun during MoP while they steadily nerfed my poor spriest...and you know what? She is still my favorite (and hottest!) toon.

    I guess I say most of this because I have tried almost every other mmo out there, and yet always find myself right back at WoW and Gw 1. Ya I am old-school, but at 38 I have played 'em all, and this game STILL has the most content out there, hands down. If you don't or didn't like Mop, I'm sure you have your reasons and I'm not about to sit here and lie to you and tell you it was a perfect expansion. But I'm quite certain WoD will change enough to bring some of our brethren back. Much love guys!

  18. #418
    MoP wasnt, and WoD wont be as well.

    MoP was focused on raiding too much. WoD will remove gameplay components. Infact blizzard removes more than they add as it seems.
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  19. #419
    Quote Originally Posted by Venziir View Post
    Care to elaboreret on the patch release timings?
    ToT was released 1 or 2 months too early. it went live 3 months after i killed sha of fear hc (world 21) and that includes the christmas/new year period, so technically 2 months. considering that was a world 21 kill then you can see why ToT was released too early.

    likewise, because of ToT being released so early it meant ToT was out for ages - this was because they couldn't release SoO earlier. why? look at the gap between SoO release + new expansion, it's gonna be almost 14~ months. imagine if SoO came out 2 months earlier. would be awful.

    basically the patch timings for MoP were really bad. for everyone: for hardcore guilds, for mediocre progression guilds and casuals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by namelessone View Post
    • Asian style theme not fitting for the WoW universe
      - Native american theme - fine. Mongol theme - fine. Egypt theme - fine. Greek theme - fine. Asian theme - "not fitting"? Much logic. Wow.
    If they did a WHOLE Egyptian expansion, I wouldn't like it either. And ya, that zone did not fit either - and most people even said that at the time.
    Mongol is pretty much hand in hand with Asian.
    What is native american? I would say the closest to that is Shaman, and that has been in warcraft forever.

    Where is this Greek theme you speak of?

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