[6.0] Shadow Priest Discussion

[Zlebar]

Only when I get fresh baked cookies. :<

I know a mage.

On another note, I'm completely ready to start seeing some nicely optimized gear drop, instead of a little bit of everything lol.

[Deleted]

I found out why Simcraft insisted that I pull 28K.... I constantly ran with 2 targets. Single target patchwerk puts me at 25.8K.



As for the Mastery vs haste debate: Mastery rocks the boat (3.05 vs 2.01 on patchwerk lol) when it comes to non movement single target fights. As soon as movement occurs or there are more than 2 targets haste takes over.

I think I keep sticking to haste for now.

But why when most of highmaul are mainly single target fights lol even on mythic most are single target

Bladefist, Butcher, Brackenspore is at most a 2 target fight so mastery is still better for that, Same with twins, Koragh is mainly a single target fight and Imperator is a single target fight with adds that are bursted down quickly so you don't really have any sustained multi targets unless your on add duty which would never happen because well spriest are terrible at it lol

So the only fight really is Tectus and because there's so much of an execute phase I'm not even sure haste is better than mastery or crit on it

[Granyala]

But why when most of highmaul are mainly single target fights lol even on mythic most are single target

Yes but mastery also falls in value when you add movement.
CoP Dotweave sucked on Kargath M because I constantly had to move. (Personal feeling, no hard data to back it up)

Single target heavy movement sim -> Haste 2.35 / Mastery 2.16 (Normalized to int: 0.56 / 0.51)

How big is the stat budget we actually have control over (not counting weapon procs)?
100 food
100 cloak
100 both rings
75 neck

375 stats we can influence. Now if Simcraft were to tell me that mastery is 0.05PP better than haste, I would effectively gain 18,75PP by swapping over to mastery.

Sorry but I am nowhere even near elite enough to make THAT matter in real boss encounters.
1s of unnecessary movement would probably have more impact.

[Dawnrage]

I really think mastery is the way to go for Highmaul. Mastery on a two target fight is pretty comparable to the other stats and on single target it's far ahead of everything else. No fights right now have enough long lived stuff past 2+ mobs without long periods of single targets besides tectus but our job on that fight especially on Mythic is to make sure we hit the DPS checks for the upheavals, and single target/two target trumps there. Gearing for AoE when our AoE is trash is pretty dumb, imo.

[Granyala]

I'd agree with you if we had more control over our stats like back in the day of reforge.
But this no alternative "take the item as is or leave it" situation right now makes this discussion rather moot.

[Yvaelle]

Only when I get fresh baked cookies. :<

I'm a crit priest and I have cookies! JOIN THE CRIT-SIDE

[supersnap]

I really think mastery is the way to go for Highmaul. Mastery on a two target fight is pretty comparable to the other stats and on single target it's far ahead of everything else. No fights right now have enough long lived stuff past 2+ mobs without long periods of single targets besides tectus but our job on that fight especially on Mythic is to make sure we hit the DPS checks for the upheavals, and single target/two target trumps there. Gearing for AoE when our AoE is trash is pretty dumb, imo.

Most of our damage comes when the boss hits 20%, and in that scenario mastery is probably our worst stat. Currently SWD and DP make up 65-70% of our damage done after 20%, which both skills receives nothing from mastery. Once a boss hits 20% our dps can easily jump up by 15-20k. So I don't think its right in going full out stacking mastery. Not saying not to go mastery, just I don't think having 1300 mastery and 200 crit and multistrike is the way to go.

[Yvaelle]

I'd agree with you if we had more control over our stats like back in the day of reforge.
But this no alternative "take the item as is or leave it" situation right now makes this discussion rather moot.

Yep, no control of stats means take whatever is good that drops, enchant/gem crit, and focus on improving play over gearing strategy

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Most of our damage comes when the boss hits 20%, and in that scenario mastery is probably our worst stat. Currently SWD and DP make up 65-70% of our damage done after 20%, which both skills receives nothing from mastery. Once a boss hits 20% our dps can easily jump up by 15-20k. So I don't think its right in going full out stacking mastery. Not saying not to go mastery, just I don't think having 1300 mastery and 200 crit and multistrike is the way to go.

Ya definitely not, Crit or die fools! ^.^

(Disclaimer: I'm not saying crit is significantly better than the other stats, provably they are all almost too close to even call - but crit just feels right)

[Granyala]

I'm a crit priest and I have cookies! JOIN THE CRIT-SIDE

3, 2, 1, SOLD!

Crit side for 3 cookies it is.

Sorry, Mastery dudes. :>

[Ilir]

i'm gonna stick to haste :x

[ThrashMetalFtw]

I'm going to stick to Versatility. All the cool boyz enchant Versa.

[Drye]

Yeah, to be fair: I was confused by your guide as well.

To be fair, it is explained on 39 of 40 pages of it as to why people are doing it

[Granyala]

To be fair, it is explained on 39 of 40 pages of it as to why people are doing it

The reason crit is recommended, is because the way I'm viewing stats, is that haste = mastery = Crit = multi >>>> Vers. Going specific gems or enchants isn't going to give you some massive dps increase, you actually wont see a difference unless some placebo effect comes into play.

Which is basically what my own math told me. Hence no rage PMs from me ^^

[Well]

To be fair, it is explained on 39 of 40 pages of it as to why people are doing it

Could you link your guide? :-)

[Granyala]

Could you link your guide? :-)

[H2P] Drye's Shadow Guide

[Yvaelle]

I liked Drye's guide enough to just not bother posting one of my own, but I am somewhat tempted now - just so I can do a simplified guide (more like a List of Answers) for people who don't want to read full sentences: kind of like my short pre-amble guide last time. Thoughts?

Edit: I also just liked how this thread worked more than the usual guide discussion, previously guides would become a "Fix My DPS" thread after the initial posts/suggestions/revision cycles - whereas new discussions would be short 2-10 page threads - but this thread has managed to consolidate all the Shadow discussion together in one place - and there is something to be said for that.

The flip side is that I wouldn't want this thread to grow to like 1000 pages or something, then it just becomes an unwieldy mess. A guide resolves that better - since it creates a minimum basis of knowledge - eliminating most of the simpler questions about rotation or gemming that crop up otherwise.

[Relapses]

Personally, I think a "Fix my DPS" thread would be beneficial, as well as a general Guide. It'd cut down on the "How do I breathe?" questions which are asked routinely. I think a "I want to bitch, whine and moan about CoP" generalized thread would help, too, since that's how most threads seem to go these days. >_>;

[Well]

Dot weaving rotation consists of: MB(4th orb) > MS > MS > SW:P > MB(5th orb) > VT > DP > MFI > MB(3rd orb) > MFI > MFI > DP > MB > MFI > MFI > MFI > MB > MS spam

Does that mean that we should never end insanity prematurely, or does this assume 0 haste?

[Cephster]

Does that mean that we should never end insanity prematurely, or does this assume 0 haste?

Each MFI in that rotation denotes one GCD worth of channeling. The idea is that you *always* clip the channel to cast MB as soon as it comes off cooldown.

[mindp]

"I want to bitch, whine and moan about CoP"

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