Common core, just found out about this

[Stop Pretending]

My daughter is 11, and is currently doing this crap. She came to me one day with simple division problems, yeah they were simple until she showed me how she had to do all these extra steps to get to the answer. I had no clue what the hell was going on.

[Deleted]

My daughter is 11, and is currently doing this crap. She came to me one day with simple division problems, yeah they were simple until she showed me how she had to do all these extra steps to get to the answer. I had no clue what the hell was going on.

I'd say ignore CC, but sadly the fuckwits are using it to revamp the SATs.

[Gambit5555]

First off, you can say a prayer in school. It's called the moment of silence. But you can't force everyone in a school to say it though. Secondly, you holding your child back by not teaching him/her a standard of learning is child abuse.

And who is determine what the "level of education" is that my child should learn? More importantly, trying to claim depriving my child of your standards of education is idiotic at best. Once again, my family, my child. My child's education is mine to determine. Not the governments, plain and simple. Wanna talk about child abuse, discuss the deficit the nation is leaving the child, which is far more abusive and more along the lines of indebted slavery then my poor child not learning what some moronic politician in DC deciding he should learn

[omnusrubenn]

As an up and coming teacher, I have to say that there are a lot of misconceptions about Common Core in this thread and throughout the country.

What is happening has several dimensions:
First, veteran teachers do not like common core because it is disruptive. To a teacher that has taught the same subject the same way for years, the CCSS seems like an assault on established education practices. The problem is that those education practices, including the old standards, are outdated. Education is still in the No Child Left Behind era, which had many more standards that were nowhere near as deep.

Second, political propaganda has managed to twist the view of the CCSS. The truth is not what the liberals are saying nor what the conservatives are saying; it's somewhere in the middle. Instead of swallowing what other people are giving you, do your own research. Look at the standards for yourself, and form a valid opinion based on what you have seen first-hand.

Third, the teachers that are actually being trained in the implementation of Common Core are either still in school or are new teachers trying to get tenured. Teachers that are trying to get tenured do not want to make any waves until they've got it. They do exactly step-by-step what each manual says because their supervisors (principals, superintendents, boards of education) will not renew their contract if they don't make the school look good to the state (by following state protocol to the letter). Give the up and coming teachers a few years and you'll notice a difference in implementation.

As for the video: What it doesn't tell you is that the student will already have been taught 32-12=20 the "normal" way before any of that ridiculous procedure comes in. The reason teachers can do that is because there are less standards with the CCSS than with the NCLB program. Teachers can spend more time on each subject and make sure that the students really know. There is no way to "teach to the test" in CCSS. Along with having fewer questions, the new standardized test is semi-random and computer-based. It's being designed by the SBAC and other experts. It's questions can actually not be taught to. Students will actually have to think. The standardized tests before CCSS were multiple choice, facts, simple, lots of questions. The problem is that facts aren't enough anymore. With technology being the way it is, (google, wikipedia, scribd, etc.) facts don't really count for as much as creativity in problem solving; something American students lack.

I ask you all to stop and do some actual research first.

Here are some websites that are worth looking at:
http://www.corestandards.org/
http://www.smarterbalanced.org/

A comparison:
http://excelined.org/common-core-too...-expectations/

[Cthulhu 2020]

And who is determine what the "level of education" is that my child should learn? More importantly, trying to claim depriving my child of your standards of education is idiotic at best. Once again, my family, my child. My child's education is mine to determine. Not the governments, plain and simple. Wanna talk about child abuse, discuss the deficit the nation is leaving the child, which is far more abusive and more along the lines of indebted slavery then my poor child not learning what some moronic politician in DC deciding he should learn

I agree, time to scrap the military industrial complex, and turn medicare into a more efficient universal healthcare system.

Teaching them evil socialist science and making them read books that sympathize with poor people is child abuse, you communist monster.

"We want to pray to God and teach our children to look down on poor people."

The biggest contradiction of all time.

Ezekiel 16:49-50
[God]: Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

Mark 10:25
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.

There are about 30ish passages in the bible that condemn greed and accumulation of wealth, even more that promote giving possessions away to the needy and poor, and two that condemn homosexuality. Priorities.

[Gambit5555]

There's a difference between being skeptical of climate change, and being indoctrinated to believe it's a hoax. Anyone who questions it (as they should) will quickly find mountains of evidence about why and how it is happening, and then be able to make the educated decision. Instead they're taught that it's a hoax and that scientists are in on some global conspiracy to make money for Al Gore.

Improperly teaching your children (indoctrinating them with your beliefs) is the fastest way to make sure they never get a good paying job.

So its more important for them to get indoctrinated into whatever the government believes they should think? Seriously, that is asinine. And is it just climate change now? Because it was global warming 10 years ago, until it became global cooling about 5 years ago. It must be hard to teach this science continuously whenever it changes so much that even the name of it has to change

[Deleted]

And who is determine what the "level of education" is that my child should learn? More importantly, trying to claim depriving my child of your standards of education is idiotic at best. Once again, my family, my child. My child's education is mine to determine. Not the governments, plain and simple. Wanna talk about child abuse, discuss the deficit the nation is leaving the child, which is far more abusive and more along the lines of indebted slavery then my poor child not learning what some moronic politician in DC deciding he should learn

I bet you also don't like doctors because they determine how healthy your kid should be.

[Skalm]

This is because many politicians want the populace to be sheep...

[Masark]

It needs to be completely scrapped and be redone.



They're teaching this stuff to first graders.

Those windmills are not giants.

That thing isn't part of common core.

It is permissible within common core, but it is not mandated by it. It says they have to add/subtract using "mental strategies". That's one such strategy (cashier's method), but it isn't the only one.

[Templar 331]

And who is determine what the "level of education" is that my child should learn? More importantly, trying to claim depriving my child of your standards of education is idiotic at best. Once again, my family, my child. My child's education is mine to determine. Not the governments, plain and simple. Wanna talk about child abuse, discuss the deficit the nation is leaving the child, which is far more abusive and more along the lines of indebted slavery then my poor child not learning what some moronic politician in DC deciding he should learn

Your child is not a piece of property. He/she is a human being incapable of supporting his/her self. The reason the government has standards for care children receive is because of the total lack of knowledge some people have in raising a child. Their ignorance will be the child's undoing. This is why the government steps in. The "level of education" is to give them the opportunity to support themselves when they become adults.

As for the deficit, that's on the heads of the representatives that hold this country hostage to prove a point. Not allowing us to fix it because "taxes are evil!"

[Masark]

So its more important for them to get indoctrinated into whatever the government believes they should think? Seriously, that is asinine. And is it just climate change now? Because it was global warming 10 years ago, until it became global cooling about 5 years ago. It must be hard to teach this science continuously whenever it changes so much that even the name of it has to change

Try getting your information from a source that actually deals in facts. It hasn't ever been "global cooling". That was a fringe idea decades ago that got media coverage.

[Deleted]

As an up and coming teacher, I have to say that there are a lot of misconceptions about Common Core in this thread and throughout the country.

What is happening has several dimensions:
First, veteran teachers do not like common core because it is disruptive. To a teacher that has taught the same subject the same way for years, the CCSS seems like an assault on established education practices. The problem is that those education practices, including the old standards, are outdated. Education is still in the No Child Left Behind era, which had many more standards that were nowhere near as deep.

Second, political propaganda has managed to twist the view of the CCSS. The truth is not what the liberals are saying nor what the conservatives are saying; it's somewhere in the middle. Instead of swallowing what other people are giving you, do your own research. Look at the standards for yourself, and form a valid opinion based on what you have seen first-hand.

Third, the teachers that are actually being trained in the implementation of Common Core are either still in school or are new teachers trying to get tenured. Teachers that are trying to get tenured do not want to make any waves until they've got it. They do exactly step-by-step what each manual says because their supervisors (principals, superintendents, boards of education) will not renew their contract if they don't make the school look good to the state (by following state protocol to the letter). Give the up and coming teachers a few years and you'll notice a difference in implementation.

As for the video: What it doesn't tell you is that the student will already have been taught 32-12=20 the "normal" way before any of that ridiculous procedure comes in. The reason teachers can do that is because there are less standards with the CCSS than with the NCLB program. Teachers can spend more time on each subject and make sure that the students really know. There is no way to "teach to the test" in CCSS. Along with having fewer questions, the new standardized test is semi-random and computer-based. It's being designed by the SBAC and other experts. It's questions can actually not be taught to. Students will actually have to think. The standardized tests before CCSS were multiple choice, facts, simple, lots of questions. The problem is that facts aren't enough anymore. With technology being the way it is, (google, wikipedia, scribd, etc.) facts don't really count for as much as creativity in problem solving; something American students lack.

I ask you all to stop and do some actual research first.

Here are some websites that are worth looking at:
http://www.corestandards.org/
http://www.smarterbalanced.org/

A comparison:
http://excelined.org/common-core-too...-expectations/

As a qualified teacher I'd disagree simply because the nature CC is counter-intuitive.

If learning cannot be done organically, then you're doing it wrong. CC claims to creative problem solving habits, but without a logical foundation for the composition of its problems. It makes complex problems, that are complex in a way that is not intuitive or sensible.

Problem solving based education is indeed the way to teach, but this artificial nonsense is just hilarious.

[Gambit5555]

I agree, time to scrap the military industrial complex, and turn medicare into a more efficient universal healthcare system.



"We want to pray to God and teach our children to look down on poor people."

The biggest contradiction of all time.

Ezekiel 16:49-50
[God]: Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

Mark 10:25
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.

There are about 30ish passages in the bible that condemn greed and accumulation of wealth, even more that promote giving possessions away to the needy and poor, and two that condemn homosexuality. Priorities.

Yes, I agree about the sin of greed, which is why you will find conservatives are some of the most generous philanthropists out there. Tell me, how many passages are in the bible about taking wealth from others and then giving it to the poor? Did they cover forcing people to give you money so you can give it away? Or does the bible state that people should give away wealth to the poor? Because one method is generosity and charity, the other is theft and redistribution. So if you want to quote the bible, make sure it supports you

[Forgettable]

There's not enough room in this thread for two people whose mothers teach. I'm gonna have to ask you to leave.

I'm going have to ask you both to leave.

OT: Teaching to the test is a terrible way of doing things, but there are some things every person should learn. How do you do one without the other? I don't know.

[Templar 331]

Those windmills are not giants.

That thing isn't part of common core.

It is permissible within common core, but it is not mandated by it. It says they have to add/subtract using "mental strategies". That's one such strategy (cashier's method), but it isn't the only one.

Glenn Beck should have been the first warning sign........ I can't believe I fell for it.

[Deleted]

I'm going have to ask you both to leave.

OT: Teaching to the test is a terrible way of doing things, but there are some things every person should learn. How do you do one without the other? I don't know.

Loose curricula with abstract goals.

For example: "Students should continue to develop their knowledge of and skills in writing...". Incredibly vague, but clear in its sentiments. It allows the schools the freedom to focus on a variety of methodologies without forcing them to conform to arbitrarily designed questions.

[Gambit5555]

Try getting your information that actually deals in facts. It hasn't ever been "global cooling". That was a fringe idea decades ago that got media coverage.

Well if by decades ago you mean last year when reports from Russia, the UK, and multiple other areas all covered the fact the fact the temperatures across the globe were actually dropping, with many places hitting record lows. But hey, why deal with facts, let's just call it climate change. No one is gonna argue with you about climate change, its happened through history. But hey we are so smart now that we are sure we are causing all the problems in the world...egotist

[Deleted]

Well if by decades ago you mean last year when reports from Russia, the UK, and multiple other areas all covered the fact the fact the temperatures across the globe were actually dropping, with many places hitting record lows. But hey, why deal with facts, let's just call it climate change. No one is gonna argue with you about climate change, its happened through history. But hey we are so smart now that we are sure we are causing all the problems in the world...egotist

You clearly don't know what heat is. Heat is a form of energy that transfers between articles by kinetic energy, an excess of heat locked in the atmosphere is damaging, not just "warmth". Excess heat causes instability in climates, like adding more water to a full bucket, something is going to spill over. So something can warm up in one place, and cool down in another, but with excess heat this becomes extreme shifts which cause a ripple effect and feedback.

We learn these things in school.

[Masark]

Well if by decades ago you mean last year when reports from Russia, the UK, and multiple other areas all covered the fact the fact the temperatures across the globe were actually dropping, with many places hitting record lows.

Falsehoods propagated by various dishonest media outlets. Refuted multiple times by people who actually know what they're talking about.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Well if by decades ago you mean last year when reports from Russia, the UK, and multiple other areas all covered the fact the fact the temperatures across the globe were actually dropping, with many places hitting record lows. But hey, why deal with facts, let's just call it climate change. No one is gonna argue with you about climate change, its happened through history. But hey we are so smart now that we are sure we are causing all the problems in the world...egotist

That's called "weather" where there are phenomena areas of low temperatures, but overall the average temperature of the globe has been going up. It also changed from "warming" to "climate change" because the warming didn't tell the whole story. Yes, temperature averages are rising across the globe. It changed to climate change not because it is no longer warming (that's some stupid myth perpetuated by deniers) but because the effects create a plethora of different extreme climate events.