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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    Must you people always be so confrontational on here? Good lord.
    When you have people like the OP posting ignorance that is seething with condescension? You bet.

    Yet another brilliant example of the limited intelligence of the player-base when you have people like the OP thinking this "test" is a valid way to see if SoO is hard, and/or needs nerfs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ablib View Post
    When you have people like the OP posting ignorance that is seething with condescension? You bet.

    Yet another brilliant example of the limited intelligence of the player-base when you have people like the OP thinking this "test" is a valid way to see if SoO is hard, and/or needs nerfs.
    Oh my, your jimmies are very rustled I see. I fail to see how anything he said was with condescension. Seems more like you chose to take it that way for whatever reason.

    People have made SEVERAL claims that SoO is hard and still needs nerfs, what better way then to try and complete it with ridiculously underpowered gear in order to prove it does not? That would mean that gear/bosses aren't the issue, which only leaves one thing....But I dare say you are going to just come back with more rage and nonsense so forgive me if I do not reply anymore to your negativity and just focus on what this thread is about (hint: it's not your ego). Good day!
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    I don't think you will get far with that iLvL. Even the normal mode encounters have enrages and in some cases you will likely have to three heal some of the encounters.

    Love to be proven wrong, but there is a big difference between ICC being cleared with bad gear compared to SoO being cleared with bad gear. SoO 'catch up' depends on you actively improving your gear weekly through valor, ICC as a whole just flat out buffed you by 30% near the end.

    I'd assume you could probably do the entire thing with 496-502 gear, with the meta gems. I recall still wearing my DPS meta gem with just under 540 ilvL, and bosses like Iron Juggernaut doing a considerable amount of damage to me. With the meta gem it wasn't really a problem though.

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    wow EU. Lame. was going to sign up until I saw that.

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  5. #45
    I like this idea. I'm curious to see how it will go.
    Since I'm on US servers, I can't participate.
    Good luck though.

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    I love seeing people getting creative with difficulty instead of whining. I truly wish I could join you, but not only am I on a US server, but I've only done SoO on LFR. Best of luck to you all!
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  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by thraton View Post
    I love the ambition and good luck. Wouldn't mind coming along if you guys weren't EU.

    I've been trying to remember what dps I pulled at around a 471ilvl, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't anywhere close to the 150k requirement for beating Malk (assuming 6 dps, 2 tanks, 3 heals) with me being around the 95% percentile for hunters on most encounters.
    This. I vivdly remember being one of the most geared hunters worldwide first week of MSV (at 469 ilvl, due to a lucky BMAH gun on second day of MoP, and craftables), and I've always been able to pull in top 50 ranks on basicly every boss as a hunter. I didn't break 80K on Feng that reset (74K if I recall correct), and that was rank 1 for a few weeks (granted, most people like myself moved on to heroic after first week so it'd "stay" there). Despite the buffs classes have had, 150K singletarget in 471? Yea, not gonna happen.
    Heck, if I recall correct, the "big dick swingers" singletarget was around ~120-130K at best in full heroic loot.

    In fact, here's a video of Feng, which even includes some AOE to boost the numbers (but there's no good singletarget boss in T14 like Juggernaut >.<), by Method (can probably assume most of them would be ~470 average after a reset of clearing normals+optimising characters back then): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm5N5FXGh-M - highest dps didn't even break 100K (treckie is obv vengeance carried).

    That said, I do wish you the best of luck. I just don't see how it's mathematically possible.

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    Awww, EU...

    Can't wait to see the stream!

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  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    People have made SEVERAL claims that SoO is hard and still needs nerfs, what better way then to try and complete it with ridiculously underpowered gear in order to prove it does not?
    Probably because you're assuming those people are talking about Normal mode.

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    Are you allowed to use the relic trinkets or is that a no go?
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  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by ablib View Post
    When you have people like the OP posting ignorance that is seething with condescension? You bet.

    Yet another brilliant example of the limited intelligence of the player-base when you have people like the OP thinking this "test" is a valid way to see if SoO is hard, and/or needs nerfs.
    Oh yes speak for us, you reasonable voice of the people. LOL.
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  12. #52
    This is a really awesome idea and I really wish it was US so I could participate, but I wish you the best of luck. I do have some doubts about some of the mathematics at play here, like Malkorok as mentioned above.

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    Interesting idea, I like it. I have only had LFR raiding experience so no idea if it's possible although others have pointed out that it's mathematically impossible.
    Nevertheless I'll watch it. I assume this thread will be updated once more info is available on when it will take place?

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    I personally don't think it's possible ONLY because with 471 ilevel your HP will be far too low.

    Nazgrim for example, let alone ad exploding hitting immerseus

    If they don't either have their capes, weapons or trinkets I don't think it'll be possible.
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    I am looking forward to seeing this good luck.

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  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Mozez View Post
    There also was a blue only geared guild called "undergeared" that killed like ~7/12 in ICC.
    ICC had that 30% life/dmg buff. SoO doesn't if they really do only use blue gear it is going to be extremely difficult to get very far. Mana will almost certainly be an issue for healers, dps numbers are going to be south of 100k on almost everything. I am all for ppl undergearing fights but at a certain point math gets in the way and it becomes impossible to do what is needed to survive or kill things in time.
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  17. #57
    Raids was never hard after Burning Crusade. Don't see why they keep nerfing raids

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    I doubt they'll get very far simply because it isn't the same as ICC was, but also a nice way to show people that they just need to put a little effort in to raiding and they'll do just fine. A lot of people would get mad at being pitied and basically being told they aren't as good as other people with nerfs but I guess the WoW community has morals of it's own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danifilth View Post
    Raids was never hard after Burning Crusade. Don't see why they keep nerfing raids
    As somebody who started playing mid BC and was next to clueless for all of it. I still managed to clear everything but SWP prior to 3.0 and would argue things were much easier once you zoned into the raids in BC then they have been since. Before SWP when you had to attune everybody the prep to raid was most of the challenge.
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    Flex seems like a more reasonable goal than normal to be honest. Garrosh is tuned for 550 ilvl, isn't he? If we go with the theory that an increase of 1 ilvl is an increase in power of 1 % that means you literally have less than half the gear you are supposed to have.
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