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  1. #621
    Quote Originally Posted by Brusalk View Post
    Well in my testing in raids, I was nearly always hanging out around the tanks before adds came into fights. I can't really explain any difference between our results.

    I also rarely play with other Warlocks in the same raid so all of my comparisons are basically made against other classes, which we felt weak against; I'm not particularly comparing across Warlock specs.
    I don't have the luxury of a raid who's willing to actually test in fair conditions (premades and what have you) so I tend not to use raid results but objective testing methods like the shat stuff. and y'know, 2-3 minute pulls not exactly best way to test balance.

    Obviously that's going to have different results than what we end up in during raid, but its an easy way to measure potential before dealing with mechanics.

    So I have sat there on the single target dummy with all 3 specs with all sorts of talent combinations and I tend to see similar results every time. The class itself seems balanced within itself beyond the obviously terrible things (servitude) so it's more just where they want us to sit vs other classes in situations. And I have a feeling this is pretty much intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brusalk View Post
    Well in my testing in raids, I was nearly always hanging out around the tanks before adds came into fights. I can't really explain any difference between our results.
    Gonna have to back this up a bit. Our Destruction warlocks during the mythic testing were usually barely ahead of the tanks on pure single-target, especially if movement was involved. The cleave potential is good though.

  3. #623
    Quote Originally Posted by Baconeggcheese View Post
    target dummy
    There's your answer.

    From my experience, in actual raids, destruction single target ends up in the middle of the meters, with movement completely destroying it(with charred remains; i've not bothered with alternatives on movement, switched specs instead).

    Edited the misunderstanding.
    Last edited by Xenocastra; 2014-09-18 at 10:04 PM.

  4. #624
    Quote Originally Posted by Xenocastra View Post
    There's your answer.

    From my experience, in actual raids, destruction single target ends up in the middle of the meters, with movement completely destroying it(with charred remains; i've not bothered with alternatives on movement, switched specs instead).
    I'm confused, you quoted 2 completely separate points as if they belonged together.

    2-3 minute pulls is in reference to live raid testing.

    target dummy has nothing to do with that.

  5. #625
    Quote Originally Posted by Baconeggcheese View Post
    I'm confused, you quoted 2 completely separate points as if they belonged together.

    2-3 minute pulls is in reference to live raid testing.

    target dummy has nothing to do with that.
    Well yeah, if you quote something completely out of context it helps your argument.

    You dummy
    Why would you call us dummies =0

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    Sorry, I've been going through the posts and lightly reading, so please excuse me if I've missed this.

    From my understanding, destruction has become a weaker spec for warlocks. What is the alternative? Affliction or Demonology?

  7. #627
    Quote Originally Posted by Sinstralis View Post
    Sorry, I've been going through the posts and lightly reading, so please excuse me if I've missed this.

    From my understanding, destruction has become a weaker spec for warlocks. What is the alternative? Affliction or Demonology?
    It looks like demos gonna be thee spec if things keep going as is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baconeggcheese View Post
    It looks like demos gonna be thee spec if things keep going as is.
    Well thats no fun, I have NFI how to play demo... I was hoping it would have been Aff :P oh wells

  9. #629
    We're still far away enough that anything could happen. So I'd just play it by ear.

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    You still have months before t17 mythic opens, plenty of time to learn Demo.

  11. #631
    bonus set for destro needs a %chance buff

  12. #632
    Quote Originally Posted by blackblade View Post
    L100 talents kind of grind my gears. There's so many strings attached to each one, they feel like a chore. Even the passive one, demonic servitude comes with the caveat that the greater demons still keep their 10 min cooldown (which means if something kills it or it gets unsummoned for whatever reason, you're stuck with a cooldown and a worthless talent.)

    Might be a good expansion for Demonology, though -- perma Infernal/Abyssal could compensate for a lack of AoE
    I don't know what happens if one dies (should test out and see), but they still use the same spell they had without the talent, still says 10min but I could switch freely between the two, with just a simple cast time to summon it, like any other demon. So without testing what happens if they die, could just be they need to make the two spells tooltip update when you take that talent.

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