This is getting kind of silly. I enjoy a good argument from time to time, but this will be to be scaled back a bit or I'm going to bow out. Please focus only on the merits and evidence of the arguments and try to keep the emotion out of it, because accusations likeandThe thing is you've clearly demonstrated that you have no desire to or know to use hibernate if you think it's such a limited use ability.do absolutely nothing to support your claims.You come off as extremely selfish for advocating its removal
Secondly, comments like this are not helpful either:
I laid out the pieces of the discussion as reasonably as I could looking for your logical evidence to contradict mine, and you just ignored it.Can't make it any clearer than the posts in this thread already have. Perhaps you could re-read them.
This is a claim that would require empirical evidence, which I presume you are missing. Blizzard states time and time again that the forums are a poor place to gauge the reaction of the playerbase, because people that are unhappy with a change are far more present than people that are happy with one, and minorities can be extremely vocal.It's not a very interesting move to you but it's interesting to an overwhelming number of druids. I have a feeling that you're in a very small minority in not liking / using hibernate.
Perhaps I truly am not creative enough with my moonfire, but the best purpose I ever had for it was tagging a lot of mobs in a row, and if you're doing this they're mobs you can easily plow through, and so you're not want for any of the other level 100 talents. Assuming the LI moonfire does enough damage to compete with bloody talons and savagery, then moonfire for ferals that take that talent will never have been more powerful at the use of moonfire before. Does that not excite you?LI doesn't justify removing the moonfire spell. You're making assumptions when you have no concrete evidence. It's a better guess that LI was put in place as a compelling ranged cp generator. It wasn't meant to replace caster form moonfire because caster form moonfire didnt generate cp's, didn't use energy as a resource, could be hit back to back, and only did a piddly amount of damage - but it had it's purpose.
Cyclone, tier 75, mass entanglement, bear charge, maim, rake. I count at least 4, and at most 6 (depending on how you feel about roots as CC).With your way you just cyclone as your one and only cc. That is boring, dull game-play and no one (except you perhaps?) will enjoy that.
I don't personally advocate for the removal of lacerate (especially considering moonkin and resto don't even get to have thrash), but i can see why they did, and pretending like lacerate was a really fun move is silly to me. It was kind of fun back when you had pulverize consume the stacks, or when thrash had a 6 second cooldown, so you had to spread lacerate to many other enemies, but now all you do with lacerate as a guardian is fill with it, or if in an aoe situation fill with thrash. For a non-guardian spec, I just don't see how filling only with thrash is that seriously worse than filling with lacerate or filling with thrash. I'd rather keep the lacerate, but I'm not gonna lose sleep over it disappearing especially when feral spot tanking is likely not be commonly used.You don't have to lacerate to gain additional rage/threat, now it just happens because it's baked into your other abilities. It discourages putting some thought into what ability to use. It removes an ability that was fun to use.